Kiddushin 62b

קידושין ס״ב ע״ב

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Topic

Acts that take effect later: רבי יוחנן's 'in his hands' rule, תרומה on growing produce, and transferring what does not exist yet

Overview

רבי יוחנן holds that if the thing a later קידושין depends on is fully in a person's own hands (בידו), the קידושין can work. The גמרא explains why this does not help a man who says 'after I convert': a גר needs three judges, and he cannot make them come. It then defends the rule against two challenges. A freed שפחה becomes a completely new person, and after a divorce, remarrying needs the woman's consent. An attempt to use this to settle רב אושעיא's question about two פרוטות is pushed back. A ברייתא about separating תרומה from produce still attached 'when it is detached' supports רבי יוחנן. רבי אליעזר בן יעקב goes further and allows produce that has not yet reached a third of its growth. רבה and רב יוסף argue how far his rule reaches, in two versions, and the גמרא applies each version to betrothing an unborn daughter. Finally אביי says that רבי אליעזר בן יעקב, רבי, and רבי מאיר all hold that a person can transfer something not yet in the world, and the proof for רבי begins on the next amud.

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The steps (19)

1. ResolutionWhy conversion is not 'in his hands'
2. ChallengeChallenge from betrothing one's own maidservant
3. ResolutionA freed maidservant is a whole new person
4. ChallengeChallenge from betrothing one's own wife after divorce
5. ResolutionDivorcing is in his hands, but remarrying is not
6. ProofTrying to settle רב אושעיא's question
7. RejectionHer consent now may cover later too
8. ProofA ברייתא supports רבי יוחנן: attached produce can become תרומה once it is detached
9. Statementרבי אליעזר בן יעקב allows it even before the produce reaches a third of its growth
10. Statementרבה and רב יוסף argue how far רבי אליעזר בן יעקב's rule goes
11. QuestionHow do we know אגם means soft growth?
12. Responseרבי אלעזר brings a פסוק: 'bow his head like a reed'
13. QuestionWhose view fits the ברייתא about betrothing an unborn daughter?
14. ResponseIt fits both: רבה needs a noticeable pregnancy, רב יוסף does not
15. StatementA second version: the argument is about watered fields
16. QuestionWhose view fits the unborn-daughter ברייתא in this version?
17. ResponseWhen the pregnancy shows, everyone agrees
18. Statementאביי: three תנאים hold you can transfer what does not exist yet
19. ProofSources: רבי אליעזר בן יעקב, then setting up רבי