Kiddushin 68a
קידושין ס״ח ע״א
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Topic
When קידושין takes effect with forbidden women (עריות, נדה, לאוין) and the views of רבי עקיבא and the רבנן, and why it never works with a שפחה כנענית
Overview
The גמרא has learned that קידושין does not work with the עריות, because they are all compared to אחות אשה. It asks why נדה is different, and חזקיה answers from a פסוק. It also explains that when a comparison could go either way, we choose the stricter one. רב אחא בר יעקב offers another source, a קל וחומר from a יבמה. רב פפא then shows from the 'loved wife and hated wife' פסוק that קידושין does work with women forbidden only by a לאו. The גמרא asks how רבי עקיבא, who disagrees, explains that פסוק. It works through the reports of רבי סימאי and רבי ישבב and admits that רבי עקיבא's reading is forced. Finally, רב הונא learns from 'stay here with the donkey' that קידושין does not work with a שפחה כנענית. The גמרא then begins to ask where we learn that her child follows her status, and that question continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
אֲפִילּוּ נִדָּה נָמֵי!
Then even a menstruating woman as well!
אַלְּמָה אָמַר אַבָּיֵי:
Why then did Abaye say:
הַכֹּל מוֹדִים בְּבָא עַל הַנִּדָּה
All agree regarding one who has relations with a menstruating woman
וְעַל הַסּוֹטָה, שֶׁאֵין הַוָּלָד מַמְזֵר?
or with a sotah, that the child is not a mamzer?
The steps (23)
- ChallengeWhy is נדה not included with the other עריות?
- ResolutionA פסוק shows that marriage works with a נדה
- ChallengeWhy compare the עריות to אחות אשה and not to נדה?
- ResolutionWhen in doubt, we compare toward the stricter result
- StatementA קל וחומר from יבמה
- ChallengeThen marriage should fail with every לאו
- ResolutionThe Torah says marriage works with a לאו
- ChallengeHow does רבי עקיבא explain the hated-wife verse?
- ResolutionThe verse is about a widow married to a כהן גדול
- Proofרבי סימאי's teaching about רבי עקיבא
- ChallengeWhat about רבי ישבב's version of רבי עקיבא?
- ResolutionFine if רבי ישבב is only arguing with רבי סימאי
- ChallengeBut if רבי ישבב states a full rule of his own
- Resolutionרבי ישבב's case: a non-virgin married to a כהן גדול
- ChallengeWhy is this positive command different?
- ResolutionA positive command that does not apply to everyone
- ChallengeWhy don't the רבנן use positive-command cases?
- ResolutionNo positive-command case fits the verse
- ChallengeWhat about רבי עקיבא?
- Resolutionרבי עקיבא is forced into a difficult reading
- QuestionWhere do we learn that קידושין fails with a שפחה כנענית?
- Responseרב הונא learns it from the donkey in the story of the עקידה
- QuestionSumming up what is proven so far, before the next question