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Kiddushin 67b

קידושין ס״ז ע״ב

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Topic

Whose view the משנה follows, רבי יוחנן's rules on the lineage of non-Jews and converts, and the source that קידושין do not take hold with עריות

Overview

The גמרא finishes testing whether the משנה follows רבי יהודה or רבי יוסי. It concludes that a repeated phrase like 'כל מקום' can be there just to keep the wording consistent, so the משנה can fit רבי יוסי. Then it explains רבי יוחנן's rule, reported by רבין. Among non-Jews, the child follows the father, as a ברייתא about buying slaves shows. Once the parents convert, the child follows the more flawed parent, as in an עמוני man married to an מצרית woman. Next, the גמרא looks for the source that קידושין do not take hold with close relatives, starting from 'והיתה לאיש אחר'. After several back-and-forths, that פסוק is used up on אחות אשה. A comparison to her fails for אשת אח and אשת איש, so a הקש from ויקרא 18:29 ties all the עריות to אחות אשה. The amud ends as the גמרא begins a new challenge to that הקש.

Opening lines

״כׇּל מָקוֹם״ דְּסֵיפָא –

'Any case' of the latter clause

לְאֵתוֹיֵי גֵּר שֶׁנָּשָׂא מַמְזֶרֶת.

comes to include a convert who married a mamzeret.

אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הִיא,

But if you say it is Rabbi Yosei,

״כׇּל מָקוֹם״ דְּרֵישָׁא – כְּדַאֲמַרַן,

'any case' of the first clause is as we said,

The steps (26)

  1. StatementUnder רבי יהודה, the second 'any case' includes a convert who married a ממזרת
  2. ChallengeUnder רבי יוסי, the second 'any case' seems to add nothing
  3. ChallengeCounter-question: רבי יהודה has a repeated phrase too
  4. ResolutionRepeated wording for consistency
  5. Statementרבי יוחנן: among the nations follow the father; after conversion follow the flawed parent
  6. QuestionWhat does 'among the nations follow the male' mean?
  7. ResponseThe ברייתא about buying the son of a non-Jew and a Canaanite woman
  8. ProofThe verse that allows buying children of foreign residents
  9. ProofA son of a Canaanite father may not be bought
  10. QuestionWhich case does 'follow the more flawed parent' mean?
  11. RejectionNot an Egyptian man with an Ammonite woman
  12. ResponseAn Ammonite man who married an Egyptian woman
  13. QuestionSource for the משנה's 'whoever cannot have קידושין with him'
  14. Response'To another man' means to others, not to relatives
  15. ChallengeMaybe 'another' only excludes the son
  16. ResolutionThe son already has his own verse
  17. ChallengeMaybe both verses are about the son
  18. ResolutionThe son is already covered by a קל וחומר from a wife's sister
  19. ChallengeMaybe both verses are about a wife's sister
  20. ConclusionThe גמרא agrees
  21. QuestionWhat about all the other forbidden relations?
  22. ResponseLearning the other forbidden relations from a wife's sister
  23. ChallengeA brother's wife breaks the comparison
  24. ChallengeA married woman breaks the comparison too
  25. ResolutionA פסוק groups all forbidden relations together
  26. ChallengeIf so: the opening of a new challenge