Menachos 19a
מנחות י״ט ע״א
Menachot 19a
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Topic
רבי שמעון's source for a כהן pouring the oil, and רב's rule that תורה and חוקה make a step לעכב
Overview
The גמרא first looks for רבי שמעון's source for requiring a כהן to pour the oil on a מנחה. Reading 'הכהנים' in both directions fails, because אביי shows that רבי שמעון reads a פסוק only forward. So the גמרא says his source is the ו in 'וְהֵבִיאָהּ', which links back to the pouring. It then explains why that ו does not make שחיטה need a כהן: שחיטה is linked to סמיכה. A קל וחומר from זריקה and a פסוק about יום הכפורים show that the owner does not have to slaughter either. Next comes a new topic: רב's rule that the words תורה and חוקה make a step לעכב. Using the cases of נזיר, תודה, מצורע, יום הכפורים and the other קרבנות, the גמרא arrives at this reading: חוקה alone is enough, but תורה alone is not. It then tests this rule against מנחה and לחם הפנים, and begins explaining why מנחה is different from the words 'מגרשה ומשמנה'. That explanation continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
הַכֹּהֲנִים״ –
'The priests':
מִקְרָא נִדְרָשׁ לְפָנָיו וּלְאַחֲרָיו.
the verse is read as applying to what comes before it and to what comes after it.
וְסָבַר רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן
And does רבי שמעון hold
מִקְרָא נִדְרָשׁ לְפָנָיו וּלְאַחֲרָיו?
that a verse is read as applying to what comes before it and to what comes after it?
The steps (31)
- ResolutionThe word 'the priests' applies both before and after
- ChallengeChallenge: does רבי שמעון really read verses in both directions?
- Statementרבי שמעון: collecting with the left hand is valid
- Proofאביי: they disagree about reading in both directions
- ResolutionA new source for רבי שמעון: the ו links back
- ChallengeIf ו links back, slaughter by a זר should be invalid
- ResolutionSlaughter is different: it is linked to סמיכה
- ChallengeShould only the owner slaughter, like סמיכה?
- ResolutionA קל וחומר from sprinkling: no owner needed
- ChallengeMaybe we cannot learn from זריקה, which the owner cannot do anyway
- Resolutionיום הכפורים shows that שחיטה normally does not need the owner
- Statementרב: the words תורה and חוקה make a step indispensable
- StatementFirst assumption: both words are needed together
- StatementA memory sign for the coming questions
- ChallengeThe נזיר: only 'תורה' is written, yet תנופה is indispensable
- Resolution'כן יעשה' counts like the word חוקה
- ChallengeChallenge from the thanks offering
- ResolutionThe thanks offering is linked to the nazirite
- ChallengeChallenge from the leper
- ResolutionThe extra word 'shall be' counts as 'statute'
- ChallengeChallenge from the two goats of Yom Kippur
- ResolutionNew reading: either word is enough
- ChallengeChallenge from the other offerings
- Resolution'Law' needs 'statute', but 'statute' stands alone
- ChallengeBut רב said both words, 'תורה' and 'חוקה'
- ResolutionEven where 'תורה' is written, 'חוקה' is what decides
- Challengeמנחה has 'חוקה', yet רב needed repetition to make it לעכב
- ResolutionBy מנחה, the 'חוקה' is about eating
- Challengeלחם הפנים has 'חוקה' about eating, yet its parts are לעכב
- ChallengeSo חוקה written about eating covers the whole קרבן
- Resolutionמנחה is different because of 'מגרשה ומשמנה'