Menachos 60a

מנחות ס׳ ע״א

Menachot 60a

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Topic

Oil and לבונה on the מנחת חוטא; the משנה on הגשה and תנופה of מנחות; ten loaves of one kind; the source for הגשה

Overview

The amud opens by finishing an earlier answer: the double word 'עליה' is a רבוי אחר רבוי, which only comes to limit. In a second version, רבי יוחנן asks whether a tiny bit of oil on a כזית of a מנחת חוטא counts, and the question ends in a תיקו. A ברייתא then teaches that 'עליה' refers to the מנחה itself. So one כהן who puts both oil and לבונה on it breaks two prohibitions, while setting a vessel on top of the מנחה's vessel does not make it פסול. A new משנה sorts מנחות into four groups by whether they need הגשה, תנופה, both, or neither. It lists the מנחות that need הגשה but not תנופה. רבי שמעון disagrees about the מנחת כהנים and the מנחת כהן משיח, saying that with no קמיצה there is no הגשה. In the גמרא, רב פפא rules that an oven-baked מנחה must be ten of one kind, rejecting רבי שמעון's half-and-half view. Finally, a ברייתא derives from the פסוק that the whole מנחה, including the מנחת חוטא, needs הגשה, and it begins asking whether logic alone could teach this. That argument continues on the next amud.

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The steps (18)

1. ConclusionTwo inclusions in a row only come to limit
2. QuestionDoes a tiny bit of oil on a כזית count?
3. ConclusionThe question stays unresolved
4. StatementQuoting the משנה: oil on the leftovers
5. QuestionThe ברייתא suggests the rule might be about two כהנים
6. Response'עליה' means the offering itself, not the כהן
7. QuestionMaybe a vessel on top of a vessel also counts
8. Response'Upon it' means the מנחה itself
9. StatementNew משנה: four groups of מנחות
10. StatementThe מנחות that need הגשה but not תנופה
11. Statementרבי שמעון: no קמיצה means no הגשה
12. Statementרב פפא: 'Ten' means ten of one kind
13. QuestionWhat is רב פפא teaching?
14. Responseרב פפא rejects רבי שמעון's half-and-half view
15. QuestionWhat is the source for הגשה?
16. ResponseWithout the word 'מנחה,' only the קומץ would need הגשה
17. ResponseThe extra words include the whole מנחה and the מנחת חוטא
18. ChallengeCouldn't we learn this through logic instead?