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Nazir 18b

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Topic

When does a נזיר who became טמא start his new count of נזירות טהרה: the seventh day, the eighth day, or after his חטאת and אשם are brought?

Overview

The גמרא shows how רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה learns from the extra words "ביום ההוא" that the new נזירות starts on the seventh day. רבי uses the same words for something else: the count starts on the eighth day even before the קרבנות are brought. The גמרא then asks why רב חסדא did not explain the משנה according to רבי, using impurity on the night before the eighth day. רב אדא בר אהבה explains that for רבי, the new נזירות begins exactly when the קרבן can be brought, so the night case never fits the משנה. Next the גמרא quotes a ברייתא with three views on when the new count begins. רבי אליעזר says on the eighth day itself. חכמים say after the חטאת. רבי ישמעאל says only after both the חטאת and the אשם. Each view's reading of the word "ההוא" is explained, including a debate over whether the עולה, which is only a gift, needs a word at all. Finally the גמרא begins a ברייתא giving the רבנן's source, which continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

״בְּיוֹם הַהוּא״ לְמָה לִי?

Why do I need "on that day"?

אִם אֵינוֹ עִנְיָן לִשְׁמִינִי,

If it is not needed for the eighth day,

תְּנֵהוּ עִנְיָן לִשְׁבִיעִי.

apply it to the seventh day.

וְרַבִּי נָמֵי,

And according to Rabbi too,

The steps (15)

  1. StatementThe source for starting on the seventh day
  2. ChallengeWhat does רבי do with "on that day"?
  3. ResolutionThe count starts even before the קרבנות
  4. ChallengeWhy not explain the משנה according to רבי?
  5. QuestionDoes רב חסדא hold night is not too early?
  6. RejectionThe two go together, so nothing can be proven
  7. Statementרבי אליעזר: the eighth day starts a new count
  8. Statementחכמים: the new count waits for the sin-offering
  9. Statementרבי ישמעאל: the guilt-offering also holds him back
  10. StatementWhere רבי אליעזר and the רבנן learn their views in the פסוק
  11. ChallengeWhat does רבי ישמעאל learn from the word 'that'?
  12. Resolution'That' teaches the burnt-offering does not hold back the count
  13. RejectionThe רבנן: a burnt-offering is only a gift and needs no special word
  14. QuestionWhat is the source of the רבנן?
  15. ProofA ברייתא raises the idea that the guilt-offering holds back the count