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Nazir 22b

נזיר כ״ב ע״ב

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Topic

Attaching to another's vow (התפסה): does one attach to the original state or the later state? This is applied to a woman 'in your footsteps' and to a husband's 'and I' and 'I am a נזיר, and you'.

Overview

Before this section, the גמרא asked about a woman who attached herself to another woman's נזירות, after which the first woman's husband annulled the first vow. מר זוטרא says this is the same as רמי בר חמא's question: when someone vows 'like the flesh of a שלמים', does he mean the meat's early forbidden state or its later permitted state? The גמרא first says the cases are different, and then brings another version that says they are certainly the same. Next it asks what happens if the second woman said 'I am a נזירה in your footsteps'. It tries to answer from the משנה's case of a husband who says 'and I' to his wife's vow and cannot annul it. The proof is rejected, because 'and I' counts as upholding her vow, so the husband case proves nothing. Finally the גמרא sets the משנה's case 'I am a נזיר, and you' against a ברייתא that seems to rule differently. רב יהודה changes the ברייתא's wording to match the משנה, while אביי keeps it and says the ברייתא is a case where the husband made his vow depend on hers.

Opening lines

מָר זוּטְרָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב מָרִי אָמַר:

Mar Zutra, son of Rav Mari, said:

הַאי, הַיְינוּ דְּרָמִי בַּר חָמָא.

This is the same as [the question] of Rami bar Chama.

דְּבָעֵי רָמֵי בַּר חָמָא:

For Rami bar Chama asked:

״הֲרֵי עָלַי כִּבְשַׂר זֶבַח שְׁלָמִים״, מַהוּ?

"This is upon me like the flesh of a peace-offering": what is the law?

The steps (13)

  1. Statementמר זוטרא links the question to רמי בר חמא's question
  2. QuestionThe two sides of רמי בר חמא's question
  3. RejectionThe cases are not really comparable
  4. RejectionAnother version: it is certainly the same question
  5. QuestionNew question: 'I am a nazirite in your footsteps'
  6. QuestionThe two sides of the 'footsteps' question
  7. ProofA proof from the husband who says 'and I'
  8. ProofConclusion of the proof: the second woman is free too
  9. RejectionRejection: 'And I' counts as upholding her vow
  10. StatementThe משנה: 'I am a נזיר, and you'
  11. ChallengeA ברייתא that seems to contradict the משנה
  12. Resolutionרב יהודה changes the wording of the ברייתא
  13. Resolutionאביי keeps the ברייתא and says it is a different case