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Nedarim 11b

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Topic

Vows using the word חולין and רבי מאיר's view on inferring a positive from a negative; then linking a vow to שלמים meat after זריקת דמים

Overview

The גמרא brings a ברייתא about vows that use the word חולין (ordinary food). It says the first part follows רבי מאיר, who does not draw a positive conclusion from a negative statement. It then challenges the last part. In a משנה, רבי מאיר forbids 'לקרבן לא אוכל לך', because רבי אבא reads it as 'let it be a קרבן, so I won't eat it.' By the same reading, 'לחולין לא אוכל לך' should also be forbidden. The first answer is that the ברייתא's תנא agrees with רבי מאיר about inference but disagrees with him about the קרבן case. רב אשי answers instead that the wording differs: plain 'לחולין' is permitted, but 'לא לחולין' means 'like a קרבן' and is forbidden. The גמרא then turns to the משנה's list of טהור, טמא, נותר and פיגול. רמי בר חמא asks about someone who points to שלמים meat after זריקת דמים and says 'this is like that.' The question is whether he means the meat's original forbidden status or its current permitted status. רבא begins a proof from נותר and פיגול, and the proof continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

תַּנְיָא: ״חוּלִּין״ ״הַחוּלִּין״ ״כְּחוּלִּין״,

It was taught: 'Ordinary,' 'the ordinary,' 'like ordinary,'

בֵּין ״שֶׁאוֹכַל לָךְ״

whether 'that which I eat of yours'

וּבֵין ״שֶׁלֹּא אוֹכַל לָךְ״, — מוּתָּר.

or 'that which I do not eat of yours': permitted.

״לַחוּלִּין שֶׁאוֹכַל לָךְ״ — אָסוּר.

'Not ordinary is what I eat of yours': forbidden.

The steps (12)

  1. StatementA ברייתא about vows using the word חולין
  2. StatementThe first part follows רבי מאיר
  3. ChallengeBringing in the קרבן case to test the last part
  4. Resolutionרבי אבא explains the קרבן case
  5. ChallengeThe same reading should forbid the חולין case
  6. ResolutionThe תנא agrees with רבי מאיר on one point and disagrees on another
  7. Resolutionרב אשי: the two cases use different wording
  8. StatementQuoting the משנה: pure, impure, נותר and פיגול make it forbidden
  9. Questionרמי בר חמא asks about שלמים meat after the blood is sprinkled
  10. ChallengeWith those words, he is comparing it to something permitted
  11. QuestionThe real case: pointing and saying 'this is like that'
  12. Proofרבא points to נותר and פיגול in the משנה