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Nedarim 34b

נדרים ל״ד ע״ב

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Topic

How far a נדר of 'my loaf is forbidden to you' reaches, compared with הקדש: payment for מעילה on an ownerless loaf, and whether a forbidden loaf stays forbidden after it is given as a gift

Overview

The amud opens with רבא ruling on someone who declares an ownerless loaf הקדש and then takes it. If he takes it to eat, he pays for מעילה on the whole loaf. If he takes it to leave to his sons, he pays only for the small goodwill benefit (טובת הנאה). Next, רב חייא בר אבין asks רבא about a נדר of 'my loaf is forbidden to you'. If the owner later gives that loaf to the person as a gift, is it still forbidden? רבא answers that it obviously stays forbidden. The words 'to you' make it like הקדש for that person. רב חייא בר אבין then asks what the word 'my' leaves out, and suggests a stolen loaf. רבא answers no: 'my' leaves out a case where the owner had already invited him to eat from the loaf before making the נדר.

Opening lines

אָמַר רָבָא:

Rava said:

הָיְתָה לְפָנָיו כִּכָּר שֶׁל הֶפְקֵר,

There was before him a loaf of ownerless bread,

וְאָמַר: ״כִּכָּר זוֹ הֶקְדֵּשׁ״,

and he said: "This loaf is consecrated,"

נְטָלָהּ לְאוֹכְלָהּ —

if he took it in order to eat it —

The steps (5)

  1. StatementUsing an ownerless loaf that was declared consecrated
  2. QuestionDoes a forbidden loaf stay forbidden after it is given as a gift?
  3. Responseרבא: the loaf stays forbidden even after it is given as a gift
  4. ChallengeThen what does the word 'my' leave out?
  5. ResolutionThe word 'my' leaves out a loaf he had already invited him to