Nedarim 36b

נדרים ל״ו ע״ב

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Topic

Separating תרומה for someone else (consent and טובת הנאה), and teaching Torah to someone under a vow of benefit

Overview

The amud opens with a question. When a person separates תרומה from his own produce for his friend's produce, does he need the friend's consent? The גמרא tries to prove the answer from our משנה, which lets a man under a vow (מודר הנאה) separate his fellow's תרומות and מעשרות 'לדעתו'. That proof is pushed away with רבא's case of an owner who says anyone may come and separate תרומה. Next, רבי ירמיה asks רבי זירא who holds the טובת הנאה, meaning the right to choose the כהן: the one who gives the produce, or the owner of the pile? רבי זירא answers from a פסוק that it is the owner of the pile. רבי ירמיה challenges this from the משנה, and the same open-invitation case answers him. Then a ruling of רבי יוחנן says the separator holds the טובת הנאה, and the גמרא gives no reply. Finally, the גמרא turns to the משנה's rule that one may teach the man under the vow מדרש but not מקרא. שמואל explains it as a place where only מקרא teachers are paid, and the גמרא asks why the משנה then states it as a flat rule.

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The steps (16)

1. QuestionDoes tithing for someone else need his consent?
2. ProofBringing the משנה as a possible proof
3. ChallengeOwner's produce on the tither's own say-so: who made him a שליח?
4. ChallengeOwner's produce with the owner's consent: that is a benefit
5. ChallengeTither's own produce with the owner's consent: still a benefit
6. ProofOnly one reading is left: no consent is needed
7. RejectionRejecting the proof with רבא's case of an open invitation
8. QuestionWho gets to choose the כהן when separating for someone else?
9. Responseרבי זירא answers from a פסוק: the owner of the pile chooses
10. Challengeרבי ירמיה challenges from our משנה
11. RejectionThe case is the owner's own produce, open to anyone
12. Proofרבי יוחנן: the separator holds the טובת הנאה
13. StatementThe משנה allows teaching מדרש but not מקרא
14. ChallengeTeaching מדרש is also a benefit
15. Resolutionשמואל: a place where only מקרא teachers are paid
16. ChallengeWhy does the משנה state the rule without qualification?