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Nedarim 3b

נדרים ג׳ ע״ב

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Topic

Sources for ידות and for נזירות taking effect on נזירות, and how בל יחל and בל תאחר apply to a נזיר.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing an earlier derivation. For the view that the Torah does not speak in everyday human language, the phrase 'נזיר להזיר' teaches that one נזירות can take effect on top of another. The גמרא then asks about the opposite view (דברה תורה כלשון בני אדם), which already uses 'נזיר להזיר' to teach ידות. The answer is that the unusual word 'להזיר', instead of the simpler 'ליזור', teaches both laws. The scholars of ארץ ישראל add that one תנא learns ידות from 'לנדר נדר' and another learns it from 'ככל היצא מפיו יעשה'. Next, the גמרא examines the ברייתא's claim that נזירות, like נדרים, carries בל יחל and בל תאחר. רבא explains that בל יחל adds a second prohibition when a נזיר eats or drinks. For בל תאחר, the case 'when I wish' is rejected. רבא then gives the case of 'I will not leave the world until I become a נזיר', which takes effect immediately, just like a גט given 'one hour before my death.'

Opening lines

שֶׁהַנְּזִירוּת חָל עַל הַנְּזִירוּת.

that a term of naziriteship takes effect upon a term of naziriteship.

וּלְמַאן דְּאָמַר דִּבְּרָה תּוֹרָה כִּלְשׁוֹן בְּנֵי אָדָם,

And according to the one who says the Torah spoke in the language of men,

וְ״נָזִיר לְהַזִּיר״ דָּרֵישׁ

and he expounds 'a nazirite to consecrate himself'

לַעֲשׂוֹת יְדוֹת נְזִירוּת כִּנְזִירוּת,

to make intimations of naziriteship like naziriteship,

The steps (13)

  1. StatementFinishing the earlier derivation: one נזירות can take effect on another
  2. QuestionHow does the other view learn that one נזירות takes effect on another?
  3. ResponseThe unusual word 'להזיר' teaches two laws
  4. StatementThe scholars of ארץ ישראל: two sources for ידות
  5. StatementQuoting the line from the ברייתא about vows and נזירות
  6. ChallengeHow can a נזיר ever break בל יחל?
  7. Resolutionרבא: The נזיר breaks two prohibitions
  8. ChallengeHow can a נזיר ever break בל תאחר?
  9. ResolutionFirst answer: he said 'when I wish'
  10. Rejection'When I wish' has no deadline
  11. Resolutionרבא: 'I will not leave the world until I become a נזיר'
  12. ProofProof from a גט given 'one hour before my death'
  13. ConclusionSo here too he is a נזיר at once