Nedarim 59b

נדרים נ״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Whether growths (גידולין) cancel out a forbidden original plant (עיקר), using onions in שביעית, טבל seeds that were planted, and an onion of תרומה that was planted

Overview

The גמרא finishes quoting a משנה about onions that sprouted after rain: if their leaves came out black they are forbidden, and if the leaves turned green they are permitted. It asks why the onions should be forbidden, since the original onion was permitted. The answer is that the משנה forbids only the new growth, not the original onion. The גמרא then asks what רבן שמעון בן גמליאל adds in a ברייתא, since he seems to say the same thing. It answers that the whole משנה is his view. It also adds a rule: when a person actively plants (טרח), the original is cancelled by the majority (בטל ברוב). This rule is challenged from a planted ליטרא of untithed מעשר, which still needs tithing. The answer is that מעשר is a special case based on the פסוק עשר תעשר. Finally, the גמרא returns to רבי ינאי's ruling that a planted onion of תרומה is permitted once its growths exceed the original. It begins to question that ruling, and the question continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (9)

1. StatementEnd of the quoted משנה about onions after rain
2. ChallengeWhy should black-leaved onions be forbidden?
3. ResolutionOnly the new growth is forbidden
4. ChallengeThen what does רבן שמעון בן גמליאל add?
5. ResolutionThe whole משנה is רבן שמעון בן גמליאל, and effort matters
6. ChallengeChallenge from a planted ליטרא of טבל
7. Resolutionמעשר is a special case
8. StatementBack to רבי ינאי: a planted onion of תרומה
9. ChallengeStarting to question רבי ינאי's ruling