Niddah 33b

נדה ל״ג ע״ב

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Topic

A זבה's discharge of semen, תרומה and garments touched by a כותי, and the status of צדוקי women

Overview

The עמוד opens by finishing רמי בר חמא's question: does a זבה who discharges semen during her seven clean days lose her count? רבא tries to show the question cannot work, but the גמרא answers him using the זב, whose 'unbroken days' rule only blocks זיבה. So the question stands. Next, the גמרא tells how רב פפא visited רב שמואל, who served him a bull and pointed out a clash between two משניות. One משנה does not burn תרומה over the garments of a כותי, while the other burns תרומה over the uncertain garments of an עם הארץ. רב פפא's answer (a כותי חבר) is rejected. רב שימי בר אשי then explains the case as a naked כותי who went to the מקוה, which leaves only a ספק ספיקא. A new משנה discusses צדוקי women. The גמרא proves from רבי יוסי's words that for the תנא קמא, a צדוקי woman whose practice is unknown is like a כותית. Finally, a ברייתא tells of a צדוקי's spit landing on the כהן גדול. The גמרא asks why the spit was not impure simply as an עם הארץ's. אביי answers, רבא rejects his answer, and רבא's own answer continues on the next עמוד.

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The steps (30)

1. QuestionThe second side of the question: maybe she is only 'touching' semen
2. Rejectionרבא: she cannot lose all seven days
3. Rejectionרבא: she cannot lose just one day either
4. ChallengeThe same problem would apply to a זב, yet he loses one day
5. ChallengeThe same reading applies to a woman, so one day is possible
6. StatementQuoting the next line of the משנה
7. Statementרב פפא arrives in town and hears about רב שמואל
8. Statementרב פפא concludes רב שמואל is God-fearing and visits him
9. StatementFirst side of the contradiction: no burning תרומה over a doubt
10. ChallengeSecond side: a משנה that does burn תרומה over a doubt
11. Resolutionרב פפא answers that the case is a careful כותי
12. Challengeרב שמואל objects that a חבר would not be called a בועל נדה
13. Resolutionרב שימי בר אשי gives a better answer
14. ProofWhy this case is only a doubt
15. ProofEven recent relations only add a second doubt
16. ChallengeBut the clothes of an עם הארץ are impure anyway
17. ResolutionThe כותי was naked
18. Statementמשנה: the status of צדוקי women
19. QuestionWhat if we do not know her practice?
20. ProofThe first clause suggests she is like a Jewish woman
21. RejectionThe last clause suggests the opposite
22. ConclusionNothing can be learned from this משנה
23. ProofProof from רבי יוסי's words about the unknown case
24. ConclusionThe גמרא accepts the proof
25. StatementA צדוקי's spit lands on the כהן גדול
26. ResponseThe wife: צדוקי wives show their blood to the חכמים
27. Statementרבי יוסי's testimony about his neighbors
28. ChallengeWhy not worry about the spit of an עם הארץ?
29. Resolutionאביי: the צדוקי was a חבר
30. Rejectionרבא: a man suspected with a נדה is no חבר