Niddah 41b
נדה מ״א ע״ב
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Topic
Blood and other discharges from the מקור: when they make a woman טמאה, where the inner boundary lies, and רבי שמעון's rule about discharging שכבת זרע
Overview
The amud opens by finishing an explanation of a ברייתא about blood that comes with a יוצא דופן. רב יוסף rejects that explanation and says the argument is whether the womb (מקור) is itself a טמא place, even when the blood leaves through the side. ריש לקיש and רבי יוחנן then argue whether the woman herself becomes a נדה in that case. רבי יוחנן says she does not, because a woman is a נדה only when the blood leaves through her ערוה. Next come rulings about a womb that falls out and about pearl-like drops from the womb. Both bring only טומאת ערב, not seven days of נדה. The גמרא then defines the בית החיצון, where blood already makes a woman טמאה while it is still inside her, and a ברייתא learns this from the word ״בבשרה״. Finally it discusses רבי שמעון's rule that a woman discharging שכבת זרע is no more טמאה than the man. The גמרא resolves a contradiction in his words and ends with a question about רבא's three-day rule for a woman who had relations.
Opening lines
וְדָם דֶּרֶךְ רֶחֶם,
and the blood through the womb,
וְאַזְדָּא רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן לְטַעְמֵיהּ
and Rabbi Shimon follows his own reasoning
וְרַבָּנַן לְטַעְמַיְיהוּ.
and the Rabbis follow their own reasoning.
מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב יוֹסֵף:
Rav Yosef objected to it:
The steps (33)
- ResolutionFinishing the first explanation: baby through the side, blood the normal way
- Challengeרב יוסף's two problems with that explanation
- Resolutionרב יוסף's new case: baby and blood both through the side
- StatementThe real argument: is the womb itself a טמא place?
- StatementIs the woman herself טמאה when the blood is טמא?
- Proofרבי יוחנן's view matches his rule from a פסוק
- StatementA womb that fell out makes the woman טמאה
- QuestionWhat kind of טומאה can this be?
- ResponseOnly טומאה until evening
- StatementTwo pearl-like drops from the womb make her טמאה
- QuestionWhich kind of טומאה is this?
- ResponseIt is טומאת ערב, and only with two drops
- QuestionWhat is the outer chamber?
- Responseריש לקיש: the place seen when a girl sits
- Challengeרבי יוחנן: that place already counts as exposed
- Responseרבי יוחנן: up to בין השינים
- QuestionIs the area between the teeth inside or outside?
- Responseרבי זכאי: between the teeth counts as inside
- StatementA ברייתא names the point as 'the place of threshing'
- QuestionWhat does 'place of threshing' mean?
- Responseרב יהודה explains the phrase
- Statement״בבשרה״: נדה and זבה are טמאה even while the blood is still inside
- Statement״יהיה″: discharging שכבת זרע also makes her טמאה from inside
- Statementרבי שמעון: she is no more טמאה than the man
- ChallengeDoes רבי שמעון really hold דיה כבועלה?
- Challengeרבי שמעון asks what the פסוק comes to teach
- ChallengeThe תורה decrees that hidden contact makes her impure
- ResolutionDuring relations versus a later discharge
- ChallengeShe is already impure from the relations
- ResolutionShe already immersed for the relations
- ChallengeCan one immersion really be enough?
- ResolutionShe was immersed while lying in bed
- ChallengeThen why would רבא's walking woman still be טמאה?