Pesachim 108a
פסחים ק״ח ע״א
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Topic
Wine and appetite, רב ששת's fast on ערב פסח, and the laws of הסיבה at the סדר
Overview
This amud first finishes an earlier debate: does wine fill you up (מסעד סעיד) or make you hungrier (מגרר גריר)? The גמרא proves from a משנה about extra drinking between the cups that wine whets the appetite. Next it reports that רב ששת fasted all day on ערב פסח. The גמרא suggests a legal reason: the eating ban protects the קרבן פסח, and בן בתירא allows the פסח all day. It then rejects this, because רב ששת was simply delicate and needed an appetite at night. The amud then turns to הסיבה (reclining). מצה needs הסיבה, מרור does not, and all four cups need it. It explains that one must lean left, not on the back or to the right. It then rules on who must recline: a wife, a son, a תלמיד before his רב, and a שמש. Finally, רבי יהושע בן לוי says women are obligated in the four cups, and the reason continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
בֵּין הַכּוֹסוֹת הַלָּלוּ
Between these cups
אִם רָצָה לִשְׁתּוֹת — יִשְׁתֶּה,
if he wants to drink, he may drink,
בֵּין שְׁלִישִׁי לִרְבִיעִי — לֹא יִשְׁתֶּה.
between the third and the fourth, he may not drink.
וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ מִסְעָד סָעֵיד,
And if you say it (wine) satisfies,
The steps (25)
- ProofQuoting the משנה about drinking between the four cups
- ChallengeIf wine filled you up, extra cups would ruin the מצה
- ConclusionConclusion: wine whets the appetite
- Statementרב ששת fasted the entire day before פסח
- QuestionSuggested reason, part one: the ban is about the Pesach offering
- QuestionSuggested reason, part two: בן בתירא allows the פסח from morning
- QuestionBen Beteira's reading of 'bein ha'arbayim'
- Rejectionרב ששת fasted for a personal reason
- Statementהסיבה: מצה yes, מרור no
- ChallengeTwo opposite reports about wine
- ResolutionEach report refers to different cups
- ResolutionVersion one: the first two cups need reclining
- ResolutionVersion two: the last two cups need reclining
- ConclusionAll four cups require reclining
- StatementLying on the back or leaning right is not proper reclining
- StatementWho must recline: a wife and a son
- QuestionWhat about a student with his teacher?
- Responseאביי reports that רב יוסף exempted students
- ChallengeA ברייתא says even a student must recline
- ResolutionThe ברייתא means a craftsman's apprentice
- QuestionWhat is the rule for a waiter?
- ResponseA waiter who ate מצה while reclining has fulfilled his obligation
- ProofReading the exact wording: only reclining works
- ConclusionConfirmed: a waiter must recline
- StatementWomen are obligated in the four cups