Pesachim 85b

פסחים פ״ה ע״ב

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Topic

Moving פסח meat out of its place, the boundaries of inside and outside, and the holiness of gateways and roofs

Overview

The גמרא first learns from the word ״חוּצָה״ that it is forbidden to move קרבן פסח meat from one חבורה to another. רבי אמי rules that a person is liable only once he puts the meat down, because the Torah's word הוצאה matches carrying on שבת, which needs both עקירה and הנחה. רבי אבא בר ממל challenges this from the burned inner offerings. He then answers himself: those offerings were being dragged on the ground, so they count as already placed. A new משנה teaches how to cut off the part of a פסח limb that went outside without breaking a bone. It also defines the boundary: the doorway divides inside from outside, and windows and the thickness of the wall count as inside. The גמרא notes that רב applies the doorway rule to prayer, which disagrees with רבי יהושע בן לוי. It then resolves a contradiction in the משנה about the doorway itself: doorways of the עזרה count as inside, and doorways of ירושלים count as outside. Two statements of רבי שמואל בר רב יצחק about מצורעים support this. Finally, רב rules that roofs and upper stories were not sanctified, and the גמרא challenges him from his own saying about the loud הלל on the roofs. That challenge is answered on the next amud.

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The steps (15)

1. QuestionWhere do we learn the ban on moving the meat between groups?
2. ResponseThe word ״חוצה״ includes moving the meat between groups
3. StatementNo liability until the meat is put down, just like carrying on שבת
4. ChallengeChallenge: the carriers of burned offerings become impure just by stepping out
5. ResolutionAnswer: the offerings were being dragged on the ground
6. StatementCutting off the part of a limb that went outside
7. StatementWhere inside ends and outside begins
8. Statementרב applies the doorway rule to prayer
9. Statementרבי יהושע בן לוי disagrees: no barrier blocks prayer
10. ChallengeThe משנה contradicts itself about the doorway space
11. ResolutionThe two clauses refer to two different kinds of gates
12. ProofWhy the gateways of ירושלים were left unsanctified
13. ProofWhy only שער נקנור of the עזרה was left unsanctified
14. Statementרב rules that roofs and upper stories were not sanctified
15. Challengeרב's own saying suggests the פסח was eaten on rooftops