Pesachim 89b

פסחים פ״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Limiting a big eater or splitting a חבורה, and money received for a share in a קרבן

Overview

The משנה rules that if a member of a פסח group adds an outsider to his own share, the group may give him just his portion, and he eats it with the outsider. The גמרא asks whether a group may tell a member with 'fine hands' (a big eater) to take his share and leave. Two proofs, from our משנה and from the משנה about the שמש by the oven, are each rejected. A ברייתא then rules clearly that the group may limit him, even at an ordinary friendly meal (סיבולת). A second version (איכא דאמרי) reads the same ברייתא to teach that a חבורה may split up only for a real reason. A story follows: רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע pressed רב פפא with these sources until רב פפא divided the bread, and later רב הונא joked about eating with רבינא. Finally, a ברייתא teaches that money taken for a share in a פסח or חגיגה is חולין, while selling an עולה or שלמים is void and the money goes to נדבה as a קנס. עולא then asks how the money's holiness can pass onto a lamb that is already הקדש.

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The steps (25)

1. StatementThe משנה: adding another person into your share
2. QuestionCan a group send away a member who grabs too much food?
3. ProofTrying to prove the answer from the משנה
4. RejectionRejecting the proof: adding a new person is different
5. ProofProof from the waiter who ate by the oven
6. RejectionA waiter is different: he was accepted to serve
7. ProofA ברייתא openly allows limiting a big eater
8. QuestionWhat does 'and not only that' mean?
9. ResponseObviously by a פסח, and even by a friendly meal
10. QuestionAn alternate version of the question: may a group split up?
11. ProofThe 'fine hands' ברייתא shows they may split only for a reason
12. StatementThe story: רב פפא eats four slices while רב הונא eats one
13. Challengeרב הונא raises all the earlier objections
14. Resolutionרב פפא deflects them as we did
15. Challengeרב הונא cites the 'fine hands' ברייתא
16. Resolutionרב פפא: that was about the קרבן פסח
17. Challengeרב הונא cites the shared-meal clause
18. Conclusionרב פפא agrees and divides the food
19. StatementEating together with רבינא
20. StatementA ברייתא on money for a share in a פסח versus selling an עולה or שלמים
21. ChallengeIf the sale did nothing, why is the money taken?
22. ResolutionIt is a penalty
23. QuestionWhat does 'whatever amount' add?
24. ResponseEven the overpayment is penalized
25. ChallengeHow can holiness move onto something already holy?