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Shabbos 135b

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Shabbat 135b

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Topic

When a baby, including a slave born to a שפחה, is circumcised on the eighth day versus right away, and when a newborn is no longer considered a possible נפל.

Overview

This amud opens at the end of an answer: proofs from before מתן תורה do not count, because the הלכה was renewed at סיני. רב אסי had taught that a baby whose birth does not make his mother טמאה לידה, such as a יוצא דופן, is not circumcised on the eighth day. The גמרא challenges him from a מחלוקת between רב הונא and רב חייא בר רב about breaking שבת for a יוצא דופן. It answers that the שבת question and the eighth-day question depend on each other. Next the גמרא shows that רב אסי's idea is a מחלוקת תנאים, quoting a ברייתא about slaves circumcised at one day or at eight days. רב חמא makes it depend on whether the mother's טבילה came before the birth, while the תנא קמא requires eight days anyway. רבא shows that רבי חמא can explain all four cases and asks how the תנא קמא can have a home-born slave circumcised at one day. רבי ירמיה and רב משרשיא each supply such a case. Finally, a ברייתא of רבן שמעון בן גמליאל teaches that a baby who lives 30 days, or an animal that lives 8 days, is not a נפל. The גמרא begins to ask whether a baby under 30 days is a ספק, and that question continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

וְנִתְחַדְּשָׁה הֲלָכָה.

and the halacha was renewed.

אִינִי? וְהָא אִיתְּמַר:

Is that so? But wasn't it stated:

יוֹצֵא דּוֹפֶן

a child born by caesarean section

וּמִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ שְׁתֵּי עֲרָלוֹת,

and one who has two foreskins,

The steps (16)

  1. ResolutionThe הלכה was renewed at סיני
  2. ChallengeChallenge from the dispute about a C-section baby
  3. ResolutionThe two questions depend on each other
  4. StatementA parallel tannaitic teaching about slaves
  5. StatementExplaining the bought slave cases
  6. StatementThe ברייתא's case of a home-born slave circumcised at eight days
  7. Statementרב חמא: it depends on whether the טבילה came before the birth
  8. StatementThe תנא קמא makes no distinction, even without טומאת לידה
  9. Challengeרבא: under רבי חמא all four cases work, starting with the home-born ones
  10. Challengeרבא continues: the two purchased-slave cases under רבי חמא
  11. ChallengeHow Can the תנא קמא Have a Home-Born Baby Circumcised at One Day?
  12. ResolutionBuying a Maidservant Only for Her Fetus
  13. ChallengeDoes Buying the Fetus Count as Buying the Mother?
  14. ResolutionBuying a Maidservant on Condition Not to Immerse Her
  15. StatementThirty days for a person, eight days for an animal
  16. QuestionBefore thirty days, is the baby a doubt?