Shabbos 7a

שבת ז׳ ע״א

Shabbat 7a

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Topic

Defining a כרמלית and the public domain: the walled valley, the corner, the pillars and bench, obstacles in the street, and the size limits of a כרמלית

Overview

This amud continues the ברייתא that lists places with the status of a כרמלית. רב אשי resolves the contradiction about a valley by saying the משנה means a walled valley. He is backed by עולא's own report from רבי יוחנן that a huge walled קרפף is a רשות היחיד by Torah law. The גמרא asks why עולא did not answer that way himself. עולא says a walled area would be called a קרפף, not a valley, and רב אשי points to the משנה's label 'רשות היחיד.' Next, the גמרא explains the extra item 'כרמלית' in the list as a corner beside the public domain, and it adds the area between the pillars and the bench in front of them, since their use is awkward. רב חסדא and others then discuss which raised or unpleasant spots in the street (a brick, thorns, filth) stop counting as רשות הרבים. Finally, רבי יוחנן and רב ששת set a כרמלית's size: at least four טפחים wide, and only up to ten טפחים high. The גמרא then begins asking what שמואל meant by 'above ten,' a question that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (23)

1. Resolutionרב אשי: the valley in that משנה has walls
2. Proofרבי יוחנן's rule on a huge walled enclosure supports עולא
3. QuestionWhy didn't עולא follow his own קרפף teaching?
4. Responseעולא's reason: a walled field would be called an enclosure, not a valley
5. Responseרב אשי's reason: the משנה says 'private domain'
6. ChallengeWhy list 'כרמלית' when every item is a כרמלית?
7. ResolutionIt means a corner next to the public domain
8. StatementThe area between the pillars is a כרמלית
9. StatementThe bench in front of the pillars is a כרמלית
10. StatementComparing the pillars ruling and the bench ruling
11. StatementAnother version: the pillars area counts as public domain
12. StatementThrowing onto an upright brick in the street
13. StatementThe brick must be three טפחים tall; thorns never count
14. Statementחייא בר רב: thorns count as street, but filth does not
15. Statementרב אשי: even filth stays part of the street
16. StatementA כרמלית must be at least four טפחים wide
17. Statementרב ששת: a כרמלית extends up to ten
18. QuestionWhat does 'up to ten' mean? A first suggestion
19. ChallengeChallenge from רב's ruling about a low house
20. ResponseNew reading: a כרמלית exists only up to ten טפחים high
21. Proofשמואל's advice to רב יהודה about 'above ten'
22. QuestionWhat did שמואל mean? A first suggestion
23. Challengeרב חסדא: רשות היחיד reaches up to the sky