Sotah 30b
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Topic
The end of the proof about שני עושה שלישי בחולין, the argument over תחומי שבת, and how בני ישראל sang שירת הים.
Overview
The amud opens by finishing a proof about what רבי אליעזר holds on whether a שני can make a שלישי in חולין. The proof uses his argument with the חכמים about linking pure and impure dough to separate חלה, together with a ברייתא that allows a middle piece as big as a כביצה. רב מרי rejects the proof: the argument might instead be about whether dough still owing חלה is treated like חלה. A second answer says the argument might be about whether one may cause impurity to חולין in ארץ ישראל. The גמרא then turns to another teaching from 'that day' in the משנה and explains that רבי עקיבא and רבי אליעזר בנו של רבי יוסי הגלילי disagree about whether תחומי שבת are דאורייתא or דרבנן. Next comes a three-way argument about how בני ישראל sang שירת הים: with a refrain, by repeating every word, or with משה starting and everyone singing together. Each view comes from a different reading of ״וַיֹּאמְרוּ לֵאמֹר״. The amud ends with teachings that even nursing babies sang at the sea, and that even unborn babies did. רבי מאיר begins bringing a פסוק for that last point, and the פסוק continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
וַחֲכָמִים אוֹסְרִין.
And the Sages forbid it.
וְתַנְיָא כְּבֵיצָה.
And it was taught: an egg-bulk.
סַבְרוּהָ אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי
They assumed that both this one and that one
בְּעִיסָּה רִאשׁוֹנָה,
are about dough of first-degree impurity,
The steps (16)
- StatementThe Sages forbid the method
- ProofA ברייתא allows even an egg-bulk
- StatementThe assumptions behind the proof
- Proofרבי אליעזר holds a שני cannot make a שלישי in חולין
- ProofThe חכמים hold that a שני can make a שלישי in חולין
- Rejectionרב מרי: the argument is about dough that still owes חלה
- RejectionAnother answer: the argument is about causing impurity to ordinary food in Israel
- QuestionWhat is the real argument behind the two readings?
- ResponseAre תחומי שבת דאורייתא or דרבנן?
- Statementרבי עקיבא: the people repeated only the opening line
- Statementרבי אליעזר: the people repeated every word
- Statementרבי נחמיה: משה Started and Everyone Sang Together
- QuestionWhat Is the Root of Their Argument?
- ResponseEach View Comes from Reading ״וַיֹּאמְרוּ לֵאמֹר״ Differently
- StatementEven Nursing Babies Saw the שכינה and Sang
- StatementEven unborn babies sang at the sea