Tamid 32a
תמיד ל״ב ע״א
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Topic
אלכסנדרוס מוקדון questions the זקני הנגב about creation, wisdom and life, then sets out for אפריקי.
Overview
This amud continues the story of אלכסנדרוס מוקדון questioning the זקני הנגב. First he asks whether the sky is higher than the world is wide. The elders say east to west is farther. חכמים say the two distances are equal, based on a פסוק in תהלים. Next he asks about the order of creation. The elders answer that the heavens came first, but they refuse to say whether light or darkness came first, so that he will not go on to ask about forbidden topics. He then asks who is truly wise, mighty and rich, how to live, and how to win people's favor. On that last question he offers his own answer. After a tense exchange in which he threatens the elders, he honors them instead. Finally they advise him how to cross the Mountains of Darkness. He reaches a town of women, who talk him out of fighting and serve him bread of gold. The story continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
מִן הַשָּׁמַיִם לָאָרֶץ רָחוֹק,
Is it farther from the heavens to the earth,
אוֹ מִמִּזְרָח לַמַּעֲרָב?
or from east to west?
אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִמִּזְרָח לַמַּעֲרָב.
They said to him: from east to west.
תֵּדַע, שֶׁהֲרֵי חַמָּה בַּמִּזְרָח –
Know that this is so, for when the sun is in the east,
The steps (43)
- QuestionWhich distance is greater?
- ResponseEast to west is farther, proven from the sun
- Statementחכמים say both distances are equal
- ProofHow the verse proves they are equal
- ChallengeThen why can't we look at the overhead sun?
- ResolutionThe overhead sun is uncovered
- QuestionHeaven or earth: which was created first?
- ResponseThe heavens came first
- QuestionLight or darkness: which was created first?
- ResponseThe elders say there is no answer
- ChallengeWhy not say darkness came first?
- ResolutionThe elders feared forbidden follow-up questions
- ChallengeThen why did they answer about heaven?
- ResolutionA single question seemed harmless; a repeat question was a warning sign
- QuestionWho is called wise?
- ResponseThe wise person sees what is coming
- QuestionWho is called mighty?
- ResponseThe mighty person controls his desires
- QuestionWho is called rich?
- ResponseThe rich person is happy with what he has
- QuestionWhat should a person do to live?
- ResponseTo live, a person must 'kill himself'
- QuestionWhat should a person do to die?
- ResponseSpoiling oneself leads to death
- QuestionHow can a person be liked by people?
- ResponseThe elders: stay away from rulers
- RejectionThe king offers a better answer
- QuestionBetter to live at sea or on land?
- ResponseDry land is better, since sailors are never at ease
- QuestionWhich of you is the wisest?
- ResponseWe are all equal, because we answer as one
- ChallengeWhy do you stand against me?
- ResolutionEven the שטן sometimes wins
- ChallengeThe king threatens to execute them
- ResolutionYou have the power, but a king must not lie
- ConclusionThe king honors them with purple robes and gold chains
- QuestionThe king wants to go to אפריקי
- ResponseYou can't go, because the Mountains of Darkness block the way
- QuestionI must go, so tell me how
- ResponseThe elders' advice: donkeys that see in the dark, and ropes for the way back
- StatementThe king travels and reaches a town of women
- ChallengeThe women show that fighting them is a lose-lose
- StatementThe king asks for bread and receives bread of gold