Temurah 9b
תמורה ט׳ ע״ב
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Topic
רבי אבין's layered questions about an אשם whose holiness moved to a new animal or changed to עולה: can a new תמורה be made with it, and must a חומש be added when it is redeemed?
Overview
This amud is built around a series of questions from רבי אבין, all about an אשם whose holiness gets passed around. In the first case, a person already did תמורה with an אשם. It then got a blemish, so its holiness was moved onto a second animal. Later the owner atoned with a third animal, and the second animal became an עולה. The question is whether he can do תמורה again with that second animal. Each time, אביי objects that the case is overloaded: whichever factor bothers רבי אבין, a new animal or a new kind of holiness, could have been asked about more simply. The גמרא answers that רבי אבין is building one question on top of another (חדא מגו חדא). It gives this answer in two versions, the second based on רבי יוחנן's rule that you cannot do תמורה twice. Both versions end in תיקו. Next, רבי יהושע בן לוי rules that only a first הקדש adds a חומש when redeemed, and רב פפא shows from the פסוק that the חומש applies to the מקדיש, not the מתפיס. רבי אבין then asks the same kind of layered question about the חומש. That discussion runs through two versions, and the second continues onto the next amud.
Opening lines
וְהוּמַם וְחִלְּלוֹ עַל אַחֵר,
and it became blemished, and he redeemed it onto another animal,
וְנִתְכַּפֵּר בְּאָשָׁם אַחֵר,
and he achieved atonement with a different guilt offering,
וְנִיתַּק לְעוֹלָה —
and it (the second animal) was switched to be a burnt offering —
מַהוּ שֶׁיָּמִיר בּוֹ?
what is the law — may he substitute for it?
The steps (23)
- QuestionThe end of רבי אבין's question: the replacement animal turned into an עולה
- Challengeאביי: if two animals is the issue, why add the atonement detail?
- Challengeאביי: if two holinesses is the issue, why add the blemish detail?
- Resolutionרבי אבין is asking one question built on another
- ConclusionThe question is left unresolved
- QuestionSecond version: same holiness, new animal
- QuestionSecond case: same animal, new kind of holiness
- Challengeאביי: if the issue is a new holiness, why ask the blemish case?
- Challengeאביי: if the issue is a new body, why ask the atonement case?
- ResolutionAnswer: רבי אבין builds one question on top of the other
- QuestionThe two sides of the first question
- QuestionThe second question: same animal, new holiness
- QuestionTwo sides of the second question, left unresolved
- StatementOnly the first הקדש adds a fifth
- ProofThe source: the one who consecrates, not the one who transfers
- Questionרבי אבין's question about a replacement animal that became an עולה
- Challengeאביי: if the issue is two bodies, why mention the atonement?
- Challengeאביי: if the issue is two holinesses, why mention the blemish?
- Resolutionרבי אבין builds one question on top of another
- ConclusionThe question stays unresolved
- QuestionAnother version of רבי אבין's question
- Challengeאביי asks which question רבי אבין really means
- ResolutionLaying out the first stage: a second animal with the same holiness