Zevachim 69a

זבחים ס״ט ע״א

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Topic

Which invalidly pinched or slaughtered bird offerings make one impure in the throat like a נבלה, and which disqualified offerings come down from the מזבח

Overview

The גמרא first shows that the משנה's two general clauses each add their own case (שחיטת קדשים בפנים and מליקת חולין בחוץ), so the משנה says nothing about מליקת זר. A ברייתא then supports רבי יוחנן: a bird pinched by a זר does not make one impure in the throat. רבי יצחק heard that one of קמיצת זר and מליקת זר comes down from the מזבח and one does not, and חזקיה reasons that the קמיצה comes down. The גמרא defends this split: a מנחה on a בָּמָה had no קידוש in a כלי שרת, so the בָּמָה cannot serve as a model for a Temple מנחה. Two ברייתות then use the word 'טריפה' to decide which badly killed birds make clothing טמא in the throat. The test for pinching is whether the act permits something forbidden. The test for slaughter is whether the bird is the same inside and outside the עזרה. רבא adds that slaughter outside, which brings כרת, keeps the bird from being a נבלה. רב שימי בר אשי limits the comparison to two improper acts, and a challenge from a ברייתא about a יוצא is answered with the פסוק 'זאת תורת העולה'. Finally a new משנה opens: רבי מאיר rules that a properly pinched bird found to be a טריפה does not make one impure in the throat.

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The steps (27)

1. RejectionIf the first clause adds something, what does the second clause add?
2. ResolutionEach clause adds a different case
3. ProofA ברייתא supports רבי יוחנן
4. Statementרבי יצחק heard two rulings but forgot which is which
5. Responseחזקיה: the handful comes down, the pinched bird stays
6. ChallengeWhat makes pinching different from removing a handful?
7. RejectionIf there was no meal offering on a private altar, there were no birds either
8. Proofרב ששת: meal offerings and birds go together on a private altar
9. ResolutionThe real difference: no sanctifying in a service vessel on a private altar
10. StatementA ברייתא asks whether an invalid pinching inside makes clothing impure
11. ChallengeBut this bird is also a נבלה
12. ResolutionThe source is the word טריפה
13. ConclusionAn invalid pinching inside is left out
14. ConclusionPinching קדשים outside or חולין anywhere is included
15. StatementAnother ברייתא about birds slaughtered in the wrong place
16. ChallengeBut these birds are also a נבלה
17. ResolutionThe source is 'טריפה': only what is the same inside and outside
18. ConclusionApplying the rule: these birds are left out
19. ChallengeGranted for חולין, but קדשים are invalid both inside and outside
20. Resolutionרבא: slaughter outside that brings כרת also removes נבלה status
21. QuestionWhat about sacred birds slaughtered inside?
22. ResponseInside is not the same as outside
23. ChallengeThen pinching sacred birds outside should also not cause impurity
24. ResolutionCompare improper with improper, not improper with proper
25. ChallengeA ברייתא that seems to compare an improper offering with a proper one
26. ResolutionThe real source is the פסוק, and the במה only gives support
27. StatementNew משנה: a pinched bird found to be a טריפה