Zevachim 89b

זבחים פ״ט ע״ב

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Topic

The order of offerings (blood, limbs, and parts of חטאת, עולה, אשם and others), and whether אימורים of קדשים קלים that leave the עזרה before זריקה are פסול.

Overview

The גמרא asks where the משנה's order comes from: the blood of a חטאת goes before the blood of an עולה, but the limbs of an עולה are burned before the parts of a חטאת. A ברייתא learns this from two פסוקים about the bulls of the לויים, one calling the חטאת 'second' and one naming it first. The גמרא asks why all of the חטאת's blood placements go first, and רבינא and the scholars of ארץ ישראל each give an answer. Next come three open questions about mixed pairs: חטאת blood against עולה limbs, עולה blood against חטאת parts, and עולה blood against אשם blood. Each proof from the משנה is pushed aside. The גמרא then challenges each step of the משנה's order with 'אדרבה' and defends it with 'אפילו הכי'. Along the way, a ברייתא settles that a תודה comes before an איל נזיר. Finally, רבינא בר שילא rules that אימורים of קדשים קלים that leave the עזרה before the blood is sprinkled are פסול. The גמרא supports this from the משנה, tests a proof from רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש, and begins comparing it to a dispute between תנאים that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (43)

1. QuestionWhere does the משנה's order of offerings come from?
2. ProofThe 'second bull' verse: the חטאת does not come first in everything
3. ProofThe other verse: the עולה does not come first in everything
4. ConclusionThe resolution: חטאת blood first, עולה limbs first
5. ChallengeIf atonement is the reason, only the first placement should go first
6. Resolutionרבינא: the verse is about the Levites' sin offering
7. ResolutionThe West: once he begins the placements, he finishes
8. QuestionWhich comes first: sin offering blood or burnt offering limbs?
9. ProofA proof from the first part of the mishna
10. RejectionThe end of the mishna points the other way
11. QuestionBlood of an עולה versus fat parts of a חטאת
12. ProofTrying to prove from the משנה that the fat parts do not come first
13. RejectionThe end of the משנה points the other way, so no proof
14. QuestionBlood of an עולה versus blood of an אשם
15. ProofA proof from the line about the חטאת's blood
16. RejectionThe משנה only said חטאת to match its second half
17. ResolutionWhy the second half had to say חטאת
18. ProofA new proof from 'חטאת comes before אשם'
19. RejectionNo, the line is about the fat parts, not the blood
20. ProofThe משנה's own wording supports this
21. ChallengeShouldn't the guilt offering come before the sin offering?
22. ResolutionMore blood on the altar wins
23. ChallengeShouldn't the thanks offering and nazirite's ram come first?
24. ResolutionMost holy offerings win
25. ChallengeShouldn't peace offerings come first?
26. ResolutionEaten for only one day wins
27. QuestionThanks offering or nazirite's ram: which comes first?
28. ResponseA ברייתא answers: the thanks offering comes first
29. ChallengeShouldn't the firstborn come before peace offerings?
30. ResolutionExtra מצוות count for more
31. ChallengeShouldn't the animal tithe come before the firstborn?
32. ResolutionHoliness from birth counts for more
33. ChallengeShouldn't bird offerings come before the animal tithe?
34. ResolutionBeing an animal offering counts for more
35. StatementAltar portions that leave before the blood is sprinkled are disqualified
36. ProofOur משנה hints at the same rule
37. ProofWhy does the משנה mention the blood?
38. ConclusionAltar portions are like the blood: disqualified by leaving
39. ProofA possible support from the dispute about meat that left early
40. ProofThe two opinions about meat that left before זריקה
41. ProofThey only argue about meat, so everyone agrees about אימורים
42. RejectionThey argue about אימורים too
43. ProofIs this the same as an older dispute between תנאים?