Zevachim 96b
זבחים צ״ו ע״ב
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Topic
Wooden versus earthenware כלי שרת, and the laws of מריקה ושטיפה for pots used to cook קדשים, including part of a vessel, which offerings it covers, and תרומה
Overview
The amud opens by finishing an earlier point: even רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה, who accepts a כלי שרת made of wood, does not accept one made of earthenware. Then comes a story. רב יצחק בר יהודה left רמי בר חמא for רב ששת, because רב ששת answers from a משנה, while רמי answers from reasoning that one משנה can knock down. To test him, רב יצחק asks whether a pot used to cook a קרבן in only part of it needs מריקה ושטיפה in full. רמי says no and compares it to a garment splashed with blood. A ברייתא proves him wrong: the whole vessel needs it, and the source is the פסוק 'in a copper vessel'. The גמרא then brings a ברייתא that extends מריקה ושטיפה from חטאת to all קדשים, but not to תרומה, according to רבי יהודה. רבי שמעון limits it to קדשי קדשים. When a ברייתא shows that a תרומה pot does need cleaning, אביי, רבא and רבה בר עולא each explain that the פסוק frees תרומה from only one strict detail. Finally, a new משנה records רבי טרפון and חכמים arguing over how long a pot may be used during a רגל, and defines מריקה and שטיפה as done with cold water.
Opening lines
וַאֲפִילּוּ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה
And even Rabbi Yosei son of Rabbi Yehuda
לָא קָאָמַר אֶלָּא דְּעֵץ,
only said it about one of wood,
אֲבָל דְּחֶרֶס לָא.
but about one of earthenware, no.
רַב יִצְחָק בַּר יְהוּדָה
Rav Yitzchak bar Yehuda
The steps (30)
- ConclusionEven the lenient view does not accept earthenware
- StatementA student leaves his teacher for another
- ChallengeThe old teacher teases his former student
- ResolutionWhy the student switched: answers from a משנה
- StatementThe teacher offers to answer from a משנה
- QuestionCooking in only part of a vessel
- ResponseNot needed, just like sprinkled blood
- ChallengeThe student objects that no source says this
- Resolutionרמי בר חמא defends his answer as logical, based on the garment case
- RejectionBlood stays put, but cooking spreads
- RejectionA second refutation: a ברייתא comparing the two laws
- ProofWhere הזאה is stricter
- ProofWhere מריקה ושטיפה is stricter, including the whole vessel
- Conclusionרמי בר חמא accepts the ברייתא
- QuestionWhat is the source for the whole-vessel rule?
- ResponseThe פסוק says 'in a copper vessel', even in part of it
- StatementA ברייתא extends מריקה ושטיפה from חטאת to all קדשים
- Statementרבי יהודה: 'אותה' leaves out תרומה
- Statementרבי שמעון: only קדשי קדשים need it
- QuestionWhat is רבי יהודה's reasoning?
- ResponseExcluding תרומה proves קדשים קלים are included
- Resolutionרבי שמעון uses 'אותה' for something else
- ChallengeA ברייתא shows that a תרומה pot does need cleaning
- Resolutionאביי: For תרומה, only the part of the pot that was used needs cleaning
- Resolutionרבא: A תרומה pot may be cleaned even with wine
- Resolutionרבה בר עולא: A תרומה pot may be cleaned even with hot water
- ChallengeHot water exemption does not fit the view that scouring is done with hot water
- ResolutionFor that view, תרומה is exempt from the extra rinsing
- StatementThe משנה: may one pot be used for the whole רגל?
- StatementWhat scouring and rinsing are, and that both use cold water