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Arachin 21b

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Arakhin 21b

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Topic

Agreement (דעת) when bringing another person's קרבן according to שמואל and עולא; a husband's protest (מודעא) against a forced גט; and how בית דין announces a sale of orphans' and הקדש property.

Overview

The גמרא finishes a ברייתא that seems to contradict שמואל: someone else's עולה or שלמים counts even without the owner's agreement. שמואל answers that the ברייתא is talking about the time of offering (שעת כפרה), while he meant the time the animal is set aside (שעת הפרשה). עולא holds the reverse: an עולה needs no agreement at שעת הפרשה, but every קרבן needs agreement at שעת כפרה. A second ברייתא requires agreement for all קרבנות, and each אמורא places it at a different stage. רב פפא sums up: the ברייתות don't clash with each other or with either אמורא, but שמואל and עולא truly disagree. Next, רב ששת rules that a husband's advance protest (מודעא) against a גט stays in force even if he later agrees, unless he clearly cancels it, as the משנה's words 'until he says' show. The פרק האומר משקלי ends. A new פרק opens with a משנה: בית דין announces a sale of orphans' property for thirty days and הקדש property for sixty days, morning and evening. The גמרא explains this timing and what the announcer must say, including who will receive the money.

Opening lines

לְדַעַת — יָצָא,

With his consent, he has fulfilled his obligation;

שֶׁלֹּא לְדַעַת — לֹא יָצָא.

without his consent, he has not fulfilled his obligation.

״עוֹלָתוֹ וּשְׁלָמָיו שֶׁל פְּלוֹנִי עָלַי״,

"The burnt offering and peace offering of so-and-so are upon me,"

בֵּין לְדַעַת בֵּין שֶׁלֹּא לְדַעַת — יָצָא.

whether with consent or without consent, he has fulfilled his obligation.

The steps (21)

  1. ChallengeThe end of the ברייתא that seems to contradict שמואל
  2. Resolutionשמואל: the ברייתא is about the time of offering, and I was talking about the time of setting aside
  3. Statementשמואל disagrees with עולא, who holds the opposite
  4. ChallengeA ברייתא that requires agreement for every קרבן
  5. ResolutionEach אמורא places the ברייתא at a different stage
  6. Statementרב פפא: the two ברייתות don't contradict each other
  7. ConclusionNeither ברייתא contradicts the אמוראים, but they disagree with each other
  8. ChallengeIsn't this obvious?
  9. ResolutionThe summary shows exactly what שמואל meant
  10. Statementרב ששת: A protest against a גט is valid
  11. ChallengeIsn't that obvious?
  12. ResolutionThe case where he was forced and later agreed
  13. ProofThe wording of the משנה supports רב ששת
  14. Conclusionהדרן — Closing פרק האומר משקלי
  15. StatementThe new משנה: announcing a sale for thirty or sixty days
  16. QuestionWhy announce specifically morning and evening?
  17. ResponseThose are the times workers go out and come back
  18. ProofA ברייתא supports רב's explanation
  19. StatementThe exact words of the announcement
  20. QuestionWhy mention who gets the money?
  21. ResponseDifferent buyers prefer different payees