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Arachin 22a

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Arakhin 22a

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Topic

How long a court announces a sale of orphans' or הקדש property, and when it may sell young orphans' property to pay a debt or a כתובה.

Overview

A ברייתא gives three opinions on how long a court must announce a sale of orphans' property and of הקדש property. רב חסדא, quoting אבימי, rules sixty days for orphans and says this follows רבי מאיר. He explains that רבי מאיר's thirty days means announcing every day, while sixty days means announcing only on Mondays and Thursdays. The גמרא then brings a dispute about when the court may sell young orphans' property to pay a debt at all. רב אסי says only when interest is eating into it. רבי יוחנן adds a widow's כתובה, because her food support keeps costing the estate. A משנה, a משנה in גיטין, and a ברייתא are each brought as challenges, and the answers end with the idea that these cases are about a father who admitted he still owed. A story about a divorced woman's כתובה shows another version of רבי יוחנן's reason: חינא, so that she can remarry. Finally, רב נחמן explains why he began collecting from orphans, and the הלכה follows רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע: we hold back only when there is a doubt whether the father already paid.

Opening lines

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן:

The Rabbis taught:

שׁוּם הַיְּתוֹמִים שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם,

The appraisal of the orphans' property is announced for thirty days,

וְשׁוּם הַהֶקְדֵּשׁ שִׁשִּׁים יוֹם,

and the appraisal of consecrated property is announced for sixty days,

דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר.

these are the words of Rabbi Meir.

The steps (44)

  1. StatementThree opinions on how long to announce a sale
  2. StatementThe ruling: orphans' property is announced for sixty days
  3. QuestionDid you say sixty or thirty?
  4. QuestionOrphans' property or consecrated property?
  5. QuestionWhose opinion does the ruling follow?
  6. ChallengeBut רבי מאיר said thirty!
  7. ResolutionThirty days means announcing on consecutive days
  8. ResolutionMonday and Thursday announcing takes sixty days
  9. StatementWhen the court sells orphans' property to pay a debt
  10. QuestionWhy רב אסי leaves out the כתובה
  11. QuestionWhy רבי יוחנן still includes the כתובה
  12. ChallengeThe משנה seems to sell even with no interest
  13. ChallengeThe משנה fits רבי יוחנן but seems to contradict רב אסי
  14. Rejectionרב אסי answers that רבי יוחנן has a problem too
  15. ResolutionThe widow claimed her כתובה in court, so her food support stopped
  16. ChallengeIf the orphans lose nothing, why should the court act at all?
  17. ResolutionOnce the court started her case, it finishes it
  18. ChallengeBack to the problem for רב אסי
  19. ResolutionA non-Jewish creditor who accepted Jewish law
  20. ChallengeIf He Accepted Jewish Law, Why Does He Still Take Interest?
  21. ResolutionHe Accepted Only the Thirty-Day Wait
  22. ChallengeChallenge From the Rule of Collecting From Orphans' Poorest Land
  23. ChallengeFine for רבי יוחנן, a Problem for רב אסי
  24. Challengeרב אסי Fires Back: רבי יוחנן's Reading Has a Problem Too
  25. ResolutionThe משנה Follows רבי מאיר
  26. ChallengeThe גיטין משנה still challenges רב אסי
  27. ResolutionA non-Jewish creditor who accepted Jewish law
  28. ChallengeThen he should not charge interest either
  29. ResolutionHe accepted one rule but not the other
  30. ChallengeA ברייתא about selling orphans' land for a כתובה or a debt
  31. ChallengeThe כתובה part is hard for רב אסי
  32. ResolutionThe father admitted he still owed
  33. ConclusionThe admission answer explains every case
  34. StatementA divorced woman collects her כתובה from orphans' property
  35. Challengeרבינא objects using רב אסי and רבי יוחנן
  36. ChallengeEven רבי יוחנן only allows it for a widow
  37. Resolutionרבי יוחנן's reason is חינא, which fits a divorced woman too
  38. Statementרב נחמן changes his practice about orphans' property
  39. QuestionWhy did רב נחמן hold back at first?
  40. ResponsePaying a debt is a מצוה, and young orphans are not obligated
  41. ResponseMaybe the father already paid
  42. QuestionWhat is the practical difference?
  43. ResponseCases where the debt is clearly still owed
  44. ConclusionRuling from ארץ ישראל: we follow רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע