Chagigah 9a

חגיגה ט׳ ע״א

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Topic

Making up the קרבן חגיגה on the later days of the רגל and on שמיני עצרת, and what 'make-up' (תשלומין) means

Overview

The amud opens by finishing an earlier discussion. The rule against bringing the חגיגה on the later days applies only when the first day had not yet ended; if the day ran out, he may go back and offer. A new משנה then teaches that someone who missed the חגיגה on the first day of סוכות may bring it all through the רגל, even on שמיני עצרת. Once the רגל passes, he owes nothing. The משנה applies the פסוק 'what is crooked cannot be made straight,' and רבי שמעון בן מנסיא and רבי שמעון בן יוחאי each give their own reading of that פסוק. The גמרא finds the source for שמיני עצרת in a גזירה שוה on the word 'עצרת,' and shows the word is extra. It also brings a ברייתא that reads the same rule from 'אותו' and 'seven days.' Next, רבי יוחנן and רבי אושעיא disagree about what 'make-up' means, and רבי זירא shows that the dispute matters for a חיגר who was healed on the second day. The גמרא challenges רבי יוחנן from his ruling about a נזיר, and רבי ירמיה answers that טומאה is different because of פסח שני. רב פפא then begins an objection that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (21)

1. StatementLimiting the rule: only when he did not finish
2. QuestionWhat does 'finished' mean?
3. Response'Finished' means the day ended
4. StatementThe משנה: missing the first day can be made up all through the חג
5. StatementAfter the רגל passes, there is no make-up
6. Statementרבי שמעון בן מנסיא: crooked means fathering a ממזר
7. Statementרבי שמעון בן יוחאי: crooked means a תלמיד חכם who left Torah
8. QuestionWhere do we learn that the חגיגה can be made up on the last day?
9. ResponseA גזירה שוה from the word 'עצרת'
10. ResolutionThe word is 'free,' so the comparison stands
11. ProofProving the word 'עצרת' is truly extra
12. StatementA ברייתא: the חגיגה belongs to the first day, and the seven days make up for it
13. ProofThe ברייתא stretches the make-up to שמיני עצרת and no further
14. QuestionWhat does 'make-up' mean?
15. Responseרבי יוחנן and רבי אושעיא disagree about 'make-up'
16. QuestionWhat is the practical difference between the two views?
17. ResponseA person who was lame on the first day and healed on the second
18. ChallengeDoes רבי יוחנן really hold this?
19. ChallengeThe case of becoming impure at night
20. ResolutionImpurity is different because it has a make-up
21. Challengeרב פפא begins to challenge the answer