Chullin 108b

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Topic

Meat and milk absorbed into each other: רב's pot of milk, lashes for half-and-half eating and cooking, and the dispute over אפשר לסוחטו.

Overview

Earlier, רב ruled that when a כזית of meat falls into a pot of milk, the meat becomes forbidden but the milk stays permitted. The גמרא asks why, since the milk that soaked into the meat should be forbidden. A first answer says the Torah forbids only the meat (the גדי), not the milk. That answer falls, because רב also gives lashes for eating half a כזית of meat cooked with half a כזית of milk, so he must count the milk as forbidden too. The final answer: the meat fell into a boiling pot, where it soaks milk in but does not let it out, and it was taken out before the pot cooled. The גמרא then examines that half-and-half ruling itself. רב says the halves do not join, and the lashes for eating apply only to food from a large pot. לוי disagrees and gives lashes for cooking too. Last, the גמרא shows that אפשר לסוחטו (absorbed taste that could be squeezed out) is argued about by רבי יהודה and חכמים. רבי's compromise, about whether the pot was stirred and covered, shows that he holds such a piece stays forbidden.

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The steps (18)

1. ChallengeWhy is the milk permitted?
2. ResolutionThe Torah forbade only the kid, not the milk
3. Challengeרב lashes for eating half meat and half milk
4. ResolutionMeat in a boiling pot absorbs but does not release
5. ChallengeBut won't the meat let the milk out when the pot cools?
6. ResolutionThe meat was taken out before the pot cooled
7. Statementרב: מלקות for eating half and half, but not for cooking
8. ChallengeEither way, eating and cooking should match
9. ResolutionThey don't join; the eating case is food from a large pot
10. Statementלוי: מלקות for cooking as well
11. Proofלוי's ברייתא: cooking is like eating, if it is real cooking
12. StatementSqueezable taste is a dispute among the תנאים: רבי יהודה's view
13. Statementחכמים: forbidden only if the milk flavors the whole pot
14. Statementרבי's compromise: it depends on stirring and covering
15. QuestionWhat does 'not stirred and not covered' mean?
16. RejectionIt cannot mean never stirred or covered at all
17. ChallengeSecond reading: stirred and covered only at the end
18. Resolutionרבי holds that something that can be squeezed out is still forbidden