Chullin 109a

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Topic

רבי's split ruling on stirring and covering a pot, the dispute about אפשר לסוחטו, and a new משנה on the udder and the heart

Overview

This עמוד continues the case of a drop of milk that fell on one piece of meat cooking in a pot. רבי gave a split ruling: רבי יהודה seems right when one did not stir or cover from the start, and חכמים seem right when one stirred and covered. The גמרא first asks why רבי יהודה would forbid even with constant stirring. It answers that he worries the stirring was not thorough. Next it explains that the case where חכמים are right is stirring and covering from beginning to end. From this it infers that חכמים themselves permit even late stirring, so they must hold אפשר לסוחטו מותר. רב אחא מדפתי suggests the argument might really be about מין במינו. רבינא answers that only the אפשר לסוחטו reading explains why רבי gave one case to each side. Then a new משנה teaches that an udder and a heart should be torn open to remove their milk and blood, but skipping this is not a Torah violation.

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The steps (12)

1. ChallengeWhy would רבי יהודה forbid even with full stirring?
2. Resolutionרבי יהודה worries the stirring was not thorough
3. QuestionWhat does 'stirred and covered' mean in רבי's statement?
4. RejectionIt cannot mean stirring only at the end
5. ResponseIt means stirring and covering the whole time
6. ConclusionInference: חכמים permit even with stirring only at the end
7. ConclusionSo חכמים hold a squeezable piece is permitted
8. ChallengeMaybe the argument is really about mixing with its own kind
9. Resolutionרבי's split view fits the squeezing explanation
10. RejectionThe own-kind explanation does not fit רבי's wording
11. StatementThe udder: tear it and remove its milk
12. StatementThe heart: tear it and remove its blood