Chullin 113a

חולין קי״ג ע״א

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Topic

רבא's rule on salting with forbidden food, שמואל's laws of salting meat, and the משניות on בשר בחלב

Overview

The amud opens by asking why רבא needed his own source to forbid kosher meat salted with טריפה meat, when שמואל already taught that salted food is like boiling food. The answer is that שמואל's rule might cover only blood, while רבא teaches that juices and gravy also forbid. The גמרא then tests רבא against a ברייתא about a kosher fish salted with a non-kosher fish, and each challenge is answered by reading the ברייתא's wording carefully. Next comes a memory sign for three teachings of שמואל: meat must be salted and rinsed well, salted meat must sit on a vessel with holes, and breaking an animal's neck before it dies traps blood in the meat. Along the way the גמרא adds the order of rinsing and salting, which inner parts are not assumed to have blood, and that several pieces may be salted together. The question of whether neck-broken meat is forbidden even for the owner ends in תיקו. A new משנה teaches that putting chicken and cheese on one table breaks no Torah law, since עוף in milk is only rabbinic. Another משנה sets out which meat and milk fall under בשר בחלב, with the views of רבי עקיבא and רבי יוסי הגלילי. The גמרא then begins looking for the source, with רבי אלעזר's proof from 'the kid of the goats' continuing on the next amud.

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The steps (33)

1. ChallengeWhy not just quote שמואל?
2. Resolutionשמואל's rule may cover only blood
3. ChallengeChallenge from a kosher fish salted with a non-kosher fish
4. ResolutionOnly the kosher fish was salted
5. ChallengeThe second clause shows the first clause means both salted
6. ResolutionThe second clause explains the first
7. ProofLogic supports reading the first clause as kosher salted and non-kosher unsalted
8. RejectionThe support is rejected: the second clause can be there to reveal the first
9. ChallengeA challenge to רבא from the last clause of the ברייתא
10. ResolutionThe last clause was only worded to match the clause before it
11. StatementA memory sign for שמואל's teachings
12. StatementMeat must be salted well and rinsed well
13. StatementTwo different orders: salt-rinse or rinse-salt-rinse
14. ResolutionBoth are right, depending on the butcher
15. StatementHow רב דימי salted his meat
16. StatementNo assumption of blood in the intestines
17. StatementWhich intestines רב משרשיא meant
18. StatementSalted meat goes only on a vessel with holes
19. Statementרב ששת salted meat one piece at a time
20. QuestionWhy not salt two pieces together?
21. RejectionThe same worry would apply to one piece
22. ConclusionNo difference between one piece and many
23. StatementBreaking an animal's neck before it dies
24. QuestionIs the meat forbidden even for oneself?
25. ConclusionThe question stays unresolved
26. StatementNew משנה: chicken and cheese on the table
27. ChallengeDoes the משנה imply chicken with milk is a Torah prohibition?
28. ResolutionReading the משנה as: placing them together will not lead to a Torah sin
29. StatementNew משנה: which meat and which milk are included
30. Statementרבי עקיבא: three verses exclude חיה, עוף, and a non-kosher animal
31. Statementרבי יוסי הגלילי: the link to נבלה, and why עוף is still excluded
32. QuestionWhat is the source?
33. Responseרבי אלעזר begins: the פסוק about יהודה sending 'the kid of the goats'