Chullin 113b

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Topic

Which animals, parts and milks are included in the איסור of בשר בחלב, and whether one איסור can take effect on top of another.

Overview

The גמרא finishes proving that the plain word גְּדִי ('kid') includes a calf and a lamb, so בשר בחלב applies to all kosher domesticated animals. The Torah adds 'of the goats' only where it means goats, and the גמרא defends this reading with the rule of שני כתובים הבאים כאחד and with two limiting words, עזים and העזים. Then שמואל reads each of the three mentions of 'גדי' and 'בחלב אמו' as including or excluding cases: fat, a dead animal, a fetus, blood, the placenta, non-kosher animals, and certain kinds of milk. The גמרא asks how three words can teach so much, and answers that some teachings share one word and others come from logic. Since that answer assumes שמואל holds אִיסּוּר חָל עַל אִיסּוּר, the גמרא raises a contradiction from his teaching about a טמא כהן eating טמאה תרומה and gives three answers. רב then rules that milk from a female goat that has never nursed is forbidden, because she can become a mother. Finally, רבי אמי and רבי אסי argue whether one who cooks חלב in milk gets מלקות. The גמרא shows that the argument is about cooking, not eating, and the explanation continues on the next amud.

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The steps (20)

1. StatementPlain 'kid' includes a calf and a lamb
2. ChallengeWhy not learn the opposite from this פסוק?
3. ResolutionA second פסוק also adds 'of the goats'
4. ChallengeWhy not learn from the second פסוק?
5. ResolutionTwo פסוקים that teach the same thing
6. ChallengeWhat about those who say two פסוקים do teach?
7. ResolutionTwo limiting words: עזים and העזים
8. Statementשמואל's list of what 'kid' and 'its mother's milk' include and exclude
9. ChallengeThree words cannot teach six rules
10. ResolutionSome teachings share a word, some need no word, so two remain
11. ChallengeDoes שמואל really hold that one prohibition can take hold on top of another?
12. ResolutionFirst answer: שמואל holds a second prohibition can take hold, but the תרומה case has a special exclusion
13. ResolutionSecond answer: שמואל holds a second prohibition cannot take hold, but meat and milk has a special inclusion
14. ResolutionThird answer: one teaching is שמואל's own view, the other is his teacher's
15. QuestionCooking in the milk of a goat that has never nursed
16. Responseרב: It is forbidden, because she will become a mother
17. StatementArgument: Is one flogged for cooking forbidden fat in milk?
18. QuestionSuggestion: They argue about whether one prohibition can land on another
19. RejectionNo: Everyone agrees about eating; the argument is about cooking
20. ResolutionEach side's reasoning about cooking