Chullin 114a

חולין קי״ד ע״א

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Topic

מלקות for cooking or eating חלב in milk, and which animals' milk is included in the איסור of בשר בחלב.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the argument between רבי אמי and רבי אסי about מלקות for cooking or eating חלב in milk. It gives three versions: no lashes for eating with an argument about cooking; lashes for cooking with an argument about eating; or no argument at all. A ברייתא then challenges the view of אין איסור חל על איסור, since it says פיגול, נותר and טמא meat cooked in milk does bring lashes. The גמרא answers that this ברייתא follows a תנא who holds איסור חל על איסור. The same ברייתא's ruling that cooking in whey is פטור is shown to support ריש לקיש. Next, two ברייתות use the repeated words בחלב אמו to include cow and ewe milk and the milk of the kid's older sister, and each time רב אשי explains why a קל וחומר from the mother is not enough. The younger sister is learned through a הצד השוה of the mother and the older sister. Finally the גמרא agrees that the older sister can be learned this way too, so the extra בחלב אמו must teach something else, and a ברייתא explaining this begins and continues on the next amud.

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The steps (24)

1. StatementNo lashes for eating means no lashes for cooking
2. StatementSecond version: everyone agrees about cooking, and the argument is about eating
3. StatementEach side's reason in the second version
4. StatementThird version: they do not really argue
5. ChallengeA ברייתא lists cases of cooking in milk that are exempt
6. ChallengeForbidden sacrificial meat cooked in milk is liable
7. ResolutionThis תנא holds a prohibition takes effect on a prohibition
8. ProofWhey ruling supports ריש לקיש
9. QuestionSource that any animal's milk is included
10. ResponseA קל וחומר to include cow and ewe milk, and then a פסוק anyway
11. ChallengeWhy a פסוק if the קל וחומר already works?
12. ResolutionThe קל וחומר can be refuted, so the פסוק is needed
13. QuestionA new ברייתא: what about the milk of an older sister?
14. ResponseA קל וחומר from the mother to the older sister
15. ChallengeWhy is a פסוק needed for the sister?
16. Resolutionרב אשי: the קל וחומר can be knocked down
17. QuestionWhat about the younger sister?
18. ResponseLearned from the two cases together
19. QuestionWhy can't we learn from the mother alone?
20. ResponseEach case covers the other's weakness
21. ConclusionThe common element includes the younger sister
22. ChallengeThen the older sister should also be learned from a common element
23. ResolutionThe גמרא agrees, so why is the פסוק needed?
24. ResponseThe פסוק is needed for a ברייתא