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Chullin 14b

חולין י״ד ע״ב

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Topic

Which teaching of רבי יהודה is the source for רב's ruling that an animal slaughtered on שבת is forbidden that day: בררה, broken vessels, separated food, or old lamps?

Overview

The גמרא is searching for which teaching of רבי יהודה lies behind רב's ruling that an animal slaughtered on שבת or יום כיפור may not be eaten that day. First it shows that רבי יהודה rejects בררה. The wine case does not prove this, but איו's ברייתא about עירוב does, once רבי יוחנן explains that the חכם had already arrived. Then רב יוסף offers a new source: רבי יהודה's rule that broken vessels may be moved only for a job like their original one, since they were not ready from before שבת. אביי rejects this comparison. A broken vessel is something new (נולד), but meat is just food that was separated, and רבי יהודה permits juice that seeps from fruit meant for eating. The גמרא brings שמואל's teaching about olives and grapes, which would make the animal forbidden. It then notes that רב himself holds that רבי יהודה disagreed even there. Finally רב ששת בריה דרב אידי points to רבי יהודה's ruling on old lamps. The גמרא asks whether that applies to something forbidden because of a prohibition, says yes, and begins a proof that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

הָתָם כִּדְקָתָנֵי טַעְמָא,

There, the reason is as it is taught:

אָמְרוּ לוֹ לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר:

They said to Rabbi Meir:

״אִי אַתָּה מוֹדֶה

"Don't you agree

שֶׁמָּא יִבָּקַע הַנּוֹד

that perhaps the wineskin will burst,

The steps (17)

  1. RejectionThe wine case has a different reason
  2. ProofA new proof from איו's teaching
  3. Statementרבי יהודה's rule on a two-way עירוב
  4. ChallengeWhy should east-or-west work either?
  5. ResolutionThe Sage had already arrived
  6. ProofA new source: רבי יהודה on broken vessels
  7. Statementרבי יהודה: only a job like the original one
  8. ProofNot prepared from yesterday means forbidden
  9. Rejectionאביי: a broken vessel is not like slaughtered meat
  10. Proofאביי's source: fruit juice that seeps out on שבת
  11. Statementרבי יהודה: juice from eating-fruit is permitted
  12. RejectionBut רבי יהודה agrees about olives and grapes
  13. RejectionOlives and grapes are like an animal ready for slaughter
  14. RejectionBut רב himself holds רבי יהודה permits even olives and grapes
  15. Resolutionרב meant רבי יהודה's ruling about lamps
  16. ChallengeDisgusting is not the same as forbidden
  17. ProofYes, and here is the proof