Chullin 75a
חולין ע״ה ע״א
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Topic
Living things and טומאת אוכלין, the fat of a נפל or שליל, and a live בן תשעה found inside a slaughtered טרפה.
Overview
This amud covers several topics. It opens by finishing an answer: the ברייתא about a בן פקועה is talking about a dry שחיטה, and it does not follow רבי שמעון. רבי יוחנן then says that the ruling that a living בן פקועה can get טומאת אוכלין follows רבי יוסי הגלילי. He links that view to בית שמאי, who say fish can become impure from the moment they are caught. The גמרא explains that בית הלל and רבי עקיבא differ about a flopping, dying fish. רב חסדא then asks about a fish with טרפה signs, and the question stays a תיקו. Next, רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש argue about whether the fat of a נפל or of an unborn calf is forbidden חלב. Each side uses the ברייתא that leaves שליל fat off the מזבח. Finally, רבי אמי and רבא argue about a live בן תשעה found inside a slaughtered טרפה, and רב חסדא begins his own statement on that case, which continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
בִּשְׁחִיטָה יַבִּישְׁתָּא,
With a dry slaughter,
וּדְלָא כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן.
and it is not like רבי שמעון.
מַאן תַּנָּא
Who is the תנא who taught:
עָבַר בְּנָהָר הוּכְשַׁר,
It passed through a river, so it became susceptible;
The steps (21)
- ResolutionThe case is a dry slaughter, not following רבי שמעון
- QuestionWho taught that a living בן פקועה can become impure?
- Responseרבי יוחנן: it is רבי יוסי הגלילי
- Statementרבי יוחנן is consistent: רבי יוסי הגלילי and בית שמאי agree
- ProofThe sources: the ברייתא and the משנה about fish
- QuestionWhat is the practical difference between בית הלל and רבי עקיבא?
- ResponseThe difference is a flopping, dying fish
- Questionרב חסדא asks about a fish with טרפה signs
- QuestionWhy the question works on both sides
- ConclusionThe question stays unresolved
- StatementIs the fat of a נפל like an animal's fat or a wild animal's fat?
- StatementThe reasons behind each side: the air or the months
- StatementSecond version: everyone agrees an underdeveloped young animal is nothing
- StatementWhere they argue: fat taken from a live full-term calf still inside its mother
- Challengeרבי יוחנן challenges ריש לקיש: why would the Torah need to exclude unborn fat from the altar?
- Resolutionריש לקיש: that same verse is my source
- ChallengeSecond version: ריש לקיש challenges רבי יוחנן from the guilt-offering ברייתא
- Resolutionרבי יוחנן answers: it is like an animal too young to offer
- Statementרבי אמי: a live nine-month fetus inside a slaughtered טרפה
- Rejectionרבא: even the חכמים permit it, because of four סימנים
- Statementרב חסדא sets up the case of a live fetus inside a slaughtered טרפה