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Chullin 85a

חולין פ״ה ע״א

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Topic

Doubtful כיסוי הדם on יום טוב, and whether a slaughter that does not permit the meat counts as a slaughter for אותו ואת בנו and כיסוי הדם.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing a discussion about the blood of a כוי, an animal whose status is a doubt. The question is whether a doubtful כיסוי הדם may be done on יום טוב. A comparison to a טומטום blowing שופר fails twice. רבי יוסי lets even a woman blow, as he lets women do סמיכה. For the רבנן, שופר is stronger because it overrides שבת in the מקדש. רבי אלעזר הקפר also breaks the קל וחומר from מילה, since מילה is only done by day, and רבי אבא praises this answer. A new משנה then argues whether a slaughter that does not make the meat permitted still requires כיסוי הדם: רבי מאיר says yes and חכמים say no. The גמרא reports that רבי ruled like רבי מאיר for אותו ואת בנו and like רבי שמעון for כיסוי הדם, and traces each side's sources from the פסוקים. The amud ends as רבי אבא begins a new statement, which continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

אֶלָּא סְפֵק אִישׁ

Rather, a doubt whether a man

סְפֵק אִשָּׁה.

or a woman.

וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי לְטַעְמֵיהּ,

And Rabbi Yosei follows his own reasoning,

דְּאָמַר: אִשָּׁה וַדָּאִית נָמֵי תָּקְעָה.

as he says: a definite woman may also blow.

The steps (30)

  1. ResponseThe doubt in the שופר case is about whether the person is a man or a woman
  2. Statementרבי יוסי holds that even a woman may blow the שופר
  3. ProofSource: women may optionally do סמיכה on a קרבן
  4. Rejectionרבינא: even according to the רבנן, שופר cannot be compared to כיסוי הדם
  5. Rejectionרבי אלעזר הקפר breaks the comparison to מילה
  6. ChallengeDoes מילה apply on ordinary nights?
  7. ResolutionCorrected wording: מילה never applies at night
  8. Conclusionרבי אבא praises the refutation
  9. StatementNew משנה: slaughters unfit for eating
  10. StatementNo covering when there was no valid slaughter
  11. Statementרבי sided with different תנאים in each משנה
  12. QuestionWhat is רבי מאיר's source for אותו ואת בנו?
  13. Responseרבי מאיר learns from slaughtering sacrifices outside
  14. QuestionWhat is רבי שמעון's source?
  15. Responseרבי שמעון learns from יוסף's meal
  16. ChallengeWhy doesn't רבי מאיר also learn from 'טבוח'?
  17. ResolutionLearn שחיטה only from the same word שחיטה
  18. ChallengeDifferent words with the same meaning can still be compared
  19. ResolutionUse a word with the same meaning only when no identical word exists
  20. ChallengeWhy doesn't רבי שמעון also learn from שחוטי חוץ?
  21. ResolutionLearn חולין only from חולין
  22. Rejectionרבי מאיר: אותו ואת בנו also applies to sacrifices
  23. Conclusionרבי accepted רבי מאיר's view on אותו ואת בנו
  24. QuestionWhat is רבי מאיר's source for covering the blood?
  25. Responseריש לקיש: רבי מאיר learns 'pouring' from sacrifices slaughtered outside
  26. Challengeרבי שמעון: the פסוק says 'that may be eaten'
  27. Resolutionרבי מאיר: 'that may be eaten' excludes a non-kosher bird
  28. Rejectionרבי שמעון: a טרפה is just like a non-kosher bird
  29. Conclusionרבי accepted רבי שמעון's view on covering the blood
  30. Statementרבי אבא begins a new statement