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Gittin 74b

גיטין ע״ד ע״ב

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Topic

Conditions in a גט: how strongly רבי's view is shown, binding deadlines, the lost coat, forgiving the payment, the rain-watered field, and payment given against the husband's will.

Overview

This amud begins by defending רב יהודה. A ברייתא shows רבי and חכמים arguing about a גט given 'from today and after death,' and the גמרא explains that it chose that case to show how far רבי's lenient view goes, since showing the strength of a lenient view is preferred. Next, the גמרא explains why the משנה must say that a thirty-day deadline is a real condition, and it fills in missing words in the משנה: רבנן and רבן שמעון בן גמליאל argue about a lost coat, and the story in צידן supports רבן שמעון בן גמליאל. רבי אסי asks what happens if a husband forgives the 200 זוז he made a condition of the גט, and רבי יוחנן rules that she is not divorced. A משנה about vows is brought against him, but the גמרא answers that a husband's condition is meant to burden her, while a vow's condition was only for gain. The same idea settles an argument between רב יוסף and רבה about a sharecropper whose fourth watering was done by rain, and it shows that both can follow רבנן. Finally, רבא learns from הלל's enactment about houses in walled cities that a wife's payment forced on her husband against his will does not fulfill the condition of a גט. His proof continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

וְהָתַנְיָא:

And it was taught in a ברייתא:

״מֵהַיּוֹם וּלְאַחַר מִיתָה״ –

[If he said: This is your גט] 'from today and after [my] death' –

גֵּט וְאֵינוֹ גֵּט, דִּבְרֵי חֲכָמִים;

it is a גט and not a גט, these are the words of the Sages;

רַבִּי אוֹמֵר: כָּזֶה – גֵּט.

Rabbi says: [a case] like this is a [valid] גט.

The steps (25)

  1. ProofA ברייתא: 'From today and after death'
  2. ChallengeWhy didn't they argue about על מנת?
  3. ResolutionTo show how far רבי goes
  4. ChallengeWhy not show רבנן's strength instead?
  5. ResolutionShowing the strength of a lenient view is better
  6. StatementThe משנה: give me money within thirty days
  7. ChallengeIsn't this obvious?
  8. ResolutionThe deadline is a real condition
  9. StatementQuoting the story of the incident in צידן
  10. ChallengeWhat is this story meant to support?
  11. ResolutionThe משנה is missing words: the coat argument
  12. Questionרבי אסי asks: what if the husband forgives the money?
  13. QuestionThe question works in both views
  14. QuestionSpelling out both sides of the question
  15. Responseרבי יוחנן rules she is not divorced
  16. ChallengeObjection from a vow that can be released by forgiving
  17. ResolutionWhy the vow case is different from a גט
  18. StatementStory of a sharecropper promised more for an extra watering
  19. StatementTwo opinions on the rain-watered field
  20. QuestionIs this the same as the earlier argument about conditions?
  21. ChallengeThat would make the rulings contradict each other
  22. ResolutionBoth opinions can follow the Rabbis
  23. Statementהלל's enactment for redeeming a house in a walled city
  24. Statementרבא: a conditional גט needs payment with the husband's consent
  25. ProofWhy הלל's enactment proves רבא's rule