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Gittin 84b

גיטין פ״ד ע״ב

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Topic

Conditions and limitations in a גט: forbidden-act conditions, conditions against the תורה, re-giving a limited גט, and spoken vs. written limitations before and after the תורף.

Overview

The גמרא finishes explaining how אביי reads the ברייתא of רבי יהודה בן תימא. It then brings a ברייתא that says a condition to do a forbidden act, like eating בשר חזיר, must be fulfilled before the גט works. אביי answers that this ברייתא follows the רבנן. The גמרא then asks whether such a condition should be void anyway, because it goes against the תורה. רבינא answers that it is not void, because the wife can simply refuse and stay married. Next the גמרא asks who taught the משנה's rule that the husband must take the גט back and give it again. חזקיה says it is רבי שמעון בן אלעזר, while רבי יוחנן says it can follow רבי too. Then רב ספרא and רבא argue about whether a limitation that is only spoken, before the תורף is written, ruins the גט. Finally, a ברייתא brings an argument between רבי and חכמים about written conditions, and רבי זירא begins to explain it. His explanation continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

לְאַבָּיֵי, ״כְּלָל״ –

According to Abaye, "principle"

לְאֵתוֹיֵי בְּשַׂר חֲזִיר;

comes to include pig meat;

״כָּזֶה״ – לְמַעוֹטֵי פְּלוֹנִי.

"like this" comes to exclude 'so-and-so'.

מֵיתִיבִי: ״הֲרֵי זֶה גִּיטִּיךְ

They raised an objection: "This is your bill of divorce

The steps (18)

  1. StatementHow אביי reads 'principle' and 'like this'
  2. ChallengeA ברייתא says forbidden-act conditions must be fulfilled
  3. Resolutionאביי: this ברייתא follows the רבנן
  4. ChallengeShouldn't it be void as a condition against the תורה?
  5. Resolutionרב אדא: here she is the one uprooting, not him
  6. Challengeרבינא: she only does it because of his condition
  7. Resolutionרבינא: he isn't forcing her to eat
  8. QuestionWho taught the משנה's fix: take the גט back?
  9. Responseחזקיה: it is רבי שמעון בן אלעזר
  10. ProofThe ברייתא showing רבי שמעון בן אלעזר's view
  11. Responseרבי יוחנן says the משנה can follow רבי too
  12. Statementרב ספרא: the משנה speaks of a condition written inside the גט
  13. ChallengeIsn't that obvious?
  14. ResolutionEven before the תורף, only a written condition ruins the גט
  15. Statementרבא's view: before the essential part, even a spoken limitation ruins the גט
  16. Statementרבא's instruction to the scribes shows he holds this view
  17. StatementA ברייתא: רבי and חכמים argue about written conditions
  18. Statementרבי זירא: the argument is only about conditions written before the essential part