Horayos 8b

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Horayot 8b

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Topic

Which sins bring the court's bull and the אשם תלוי: none for Temple impurity, yes for נדה; the word-links that prove it; and whether the king brings the sliding-scale offering.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing an older search: a second verse, 'from the day that ה׳ commanded,' is offered to show the communal sin-offering is about עבודה זרה. That proof fails because ten מצוות were given at מרה, so the גמרא returns to its first source. A new משנה then teaches that the court's bull and the individual's אשם תלוי do not apply to the Temple-impurity laws, but they do apply to the laws of נדה. רב יצחק בר אבדימי links the words ואשם and ואשמו to show that both offerings come only for sins that bring a fixed חטאת. After challenges from other word forms and from the טומאת מקדש section, רב פפא and then רב נחמן בר יצחק strengthen the link by adding more shared phrases. A second משנה says the court is not liable for the three sliding-scale sins, and רבי יוסי הגלילי and רבי עקיבא argue about whether the king is exempt. עולא's source for רבי יוסי הגלילי is challenged, and the גמרא begins a new source from רבי ירמיה that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (22)

1. ProofA second attempt: idol worship was the first מצוה
2. ChallengeBut מצוות were already given at מרה
3. ConclusionBack to the original answer
4. StatementNo offerings for Temple-impurity laws
5. StatementBut offerings are brought for the laws of נדה
6. StatementWhat are the two מצוות of נדה?
7. QuestionWhere do we learn the Temple exemption?
8. ResponseThe shared word ואשם ties the community to a fixed sin-offering
9. ResponseThe same link limits the אשם תלוי
10. ChallengeThe sliding-scale offering also uses a guilt-word
11. ResolutionOnly close word-forms are linked
12. ChallengeEven different words can be linked
13. Challengeטומאת מקדש itself says ואשם
14. ResolutionA double link: ואשם together with מצות ה׳
15. ChallengeA rival double link: ואשם with ונשא עונו
16. ResolutionThe final link: two shared phrases point only to the fixed חטאת
17. Statementמשנה: no liability for the sliding-scale cases, and the king is like the court
18. Statementרבי עקיבא: the king is liable in all except שמיעת קול
19. QuestionWhat is רבי יוסי הגלילי's reason?
20. Response'One of these': whoever can be liable in each is liable in all
21. ChallengeMaybe 'one of these' means any single one is enough
22. ResponseA new source for רבי יוסי הגלילי begins