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Kereisos 15b

כריתות ט״ו ע״ב

Keritot 15b

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Topic

The dangling limb and liquids that count at the moment of separation; רבי עקיבא's question about five offerings in one הֶעְלֵם, and רבי יהושע's קל וחומר from מעילה

Overview

The amud opens by finishing a משנה about a limb still hanging from a living body. On ערב פסח, boil-sufferers in ירושלים had such a limb cut almost through and torn off on a thorn, so both the patient and the doctor stayed טהור for the קרבן פסח. The גמרא brings שמואל's rule that a wiped leek becomes מוכשר at the moment the water leaves it. It then asks why the dangling limb does not likewise make the patient טמא as it separates. The answer, borrowed from רב יוסף's explanation of a ברייתא about rain wrung from the clothes of a זב and a טמא מת, is that something torn away with full force has no moment of contact after separating. A new משנה follows, in which רבי עקיבא asks whether five offerings in one הֶעְלֵם bring one חטאת or five. In one version the case is slaughtering outside, and in רבי שמעון's version it is eating נותר. רבי יהושע answers with a קל וחומר from מעילה, and רבי עקיבא refutes it, because מעילה has strict rules that נותר lacks. The גמרא explains רבי שמעון's version, then asks whether רבי יהושע accepted the refutation. It brings a ברייתא where the first view makes him liable for each offering, while רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה requires only one חטאת.

Opening lines

מוּכֵּי שְׁחִין עוֹשִׂין בִּירוּשָׁלַיִם,

people afflicted with boils would do this in Jerusalem:

הוֹלֵךְ לוֹ עֶרֶב פֶּסַח אֵצֶל הָרוֹפֵא,

he would go on Passover eve to the doctor,

וְחוֹתְכוֹ עַד שֶׁמַּנִּיחַ בּוֹ כְּשַׂעֲרָה,

and he would cut it until he left it attached by a hair's width,

וְתוֹחֲבוֹ בְּסִירָא,

and he would stick it onto a thorn,

The steps (29)

  1. StatementHow the boil-sufferers in Jerusalem removed a dangling limb
  2. ConclusionBoth bring the קרבן פסח, and a קל וחומר to an animal's limb
  3. StatementThe גמרא quotes a משנה about wiping a leek and squeezing hair
  4. Statementשמואל: the leek itself becomes susceptible
  5. ResponseThe reason: it becomes susceptible at the moment the water leaves
  6. ChallengeThe dangling limb should make the person impure
  7. ResolutionThe limb is pulled off with full force
  8. QuestionWhere did רב יוסף say this?
  9. ResponseThe rain on the זב and the טמא מת
  10. StatementOnce out, the water makes food susceptible
  11. Resolutionרב יוסף: here the water flew off with force
  12. Statementרבי עקיבא asks about slaughtering five offerings outside
  13. Proofרבי יהושע derives the answer from מעילה
  14. Statementרבי שמעון gives a different version of the question: eating נותר
  15. Proofרבי יהושע's same קל וחומר applied to נותר
  16. Rejectionרבי עקיבא asks whether this is a tradition or a logical proof
  17. RejectionMisuse has special strict rules that leftover meat lacks
  18. QuestionWhat bothered רבי שמעון about the first version?
  19. ResponseYou cannot prove slaughtering from eating
  20. ResponseWhat רבי עקיבא really asked, according to רבי שמעון
  21. Proofרבי יהושע spells out the קל וחומר from מעילה
  22. StatementThe גמרא quotes רבי שמעון's words in the משנה again
  23. Proofרבי יהושע's answer from the משנה
  24. Rejectionרבי עקיבא starts his reply
  25. QuestionDid רבי יהושע accept רבי עקיבא's answer?
  26. ProofA ברייתא: one offering eaten from five pots
  27. ProofFive different offerings in one lapse: liable for each
  28. Statementרבי יוסי son of רבי יהודה: only one sin offering
  29. StatementFive pots before the blood is sprinkled: liable for מעילה on each