Kereisos 8a

כריתות ח׳ ע״א

Keritot 8a

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Topic

Whether night counts toward the time of a קרבן (the זב on the night of the eighth), and how a woman with many births or discharges brings her offerings.

Overview

The גמרא opens with a ברייתא: בית הלל learn from the extra word ״לְבַת״ that a woman who miscarries on the night of her 81st day must bring another קרבן. רבי הושעיא asks בר קפרא whether the same applies to a זב who sees three sightings on the night of his eighth day. בר קפרא answers that the rule rests on that special verse, so it covers only the יולדת. The גמרא then asks whether two ברייתות argue about the זב depending on whether night is מחוסר זמן. רבי אלעזר says both agree that night is מחוסר זמן; they simply speak about different kinds of זב. רבי יוחנן's ruling about sightings split between night and day is then examined, and the גמרא shows it follows the view that night is מחוסר זמן. Its new point is that one night sighting still combines with two daytime sightings. A new משנה teaches that a woman with many births or discharges brings one קרבן, and tells how רבן שמעון בן גמליאל brought down the price of birds. The גמרא then brings the dispute between רבי יוחנן בן נורי and רבי עקיבא over how she words her offering. רבא explains it as חטאת against טבילה, and רב פפא begins to challenge that explanation, a challenge that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (26)

1. StatementThe verse source for בית הלל's night rule
2. Questionרבי הושעיא asks about a זב on the night of the eighth
3. QuestionThe two sides of the question
4. Questionבר קפרא asks what רבי חייא says
5. Responseבר קפרא answers from the ברייתא
6. ProofMaybe two ברייתות argue about this exact question
7. RejectionBoth ברייתות agree; they speak about different kinds of זב
8. ChallengeWhy teach the obvious two-sighting case?
9. ResolutionIt teaches: only on the night of the eighth, not on the seventh day
10. ChallengeWhy isn't this case in the list of 'five who bring one קרבן'?
11. ResolutionThe rule is not clear-cut, so it was left out of the list
12. ProofProof that one night sighting and two day sightings combine
13. RejectionThe comparison does not hold
14. ChallengeDoes רבי יוחנן really hold night is lacking time?
15. Resolutionרבי יוחנן was speaking for another opinion
16. ChallengeIf so, the ruling seems obvious
17. ResolutionThe real point is that a night sighting still combines
18. Statementמשנה: a woman with five births or discharges
19. Statementרבן שמעון בן גמליאל brings down the price of birds
20. StatementTwo bird-pairs for mixed definite and doubtful cases
21. StatementHow she should word her offerings: name the last birth
22. StatementAny one of them is enough
23. QuestionWhat is the root of their dispute?
24. Responseרבי יוחנן בן נורי compares it to a חטאת
25. Responseרבי עקיבא compares it to immersions
26. Challengeרב פפא questions the חטאת comparison