Kesubos 69a

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Ketubot 69a

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Topic

The daughter's dowry-tenth: collecting it from mortgaged land, whether she is an heir or a creditor, and stories about collecting it

Overview

רב sends רבי a question about brothers who 'שיעבדו' their father's land: can the daughters still collect their dowry from it? רבי answers that whether the land was sold or pledged, the court takes it back for פרנסה (dowry) but not for מזונות (food). The גמרא explains that רב used the broad word on purpose, so one answer would cover both cases. רבי יוחנן disagrees, and the גמרא asks whether he never heard רבי's ruling or rejected it. A proof from a case of two daughters whose brother died is pushed aside. אמימר first holds that a daughter collecting her tenth is an heir, but רב אשי says she is a creditor, and אמימר comes to agree. A story about רבינא shows she is the brothers' creditor, not the father's. The amud ends with stories about collecting the tenth, including רב הונא's sharp reply to רב ענן, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (34)

1. Questionרב sends a question about brothers who mortgaged land
2. Questionרבי חייא asks: sold or pledged?
3. Responseרבי answers: it makes no difference
4. ChallengeWhy didn't רב just say what he meant?
5. Resolutionרב wanted both cases: why asking about 'sold' wouldn't work
6. ResolutionWhy asking about 'pledged' wouldn't work either, so רב wrote 'mortgaged'
7. Statementרבי יוחנן says the land is never taken back
8. QuestionDid רבי יוחנן know רבי's ruling?
9. ProofTwo daughters, one dowry already taken
10. Statementרבי יוחנן: the second daughter gave up her tenth
11. Challengeרבי חנינא pushes back using the dowry rule
12. ProofProof: רבי יוחנן knew רבי's ruling and disagreed
13. RejectionProof rejected: the daughters inherit plenty
14. ChallengeWhat if she found a lost object?
15. ResolutionOnly wealth from the estate counts
16. Statementאמימר: a daughter is an heir
17. QuestionCan the brothers pay her off with money?
18. ResponseYes, cash is not enough
19. QuestionCan they give her just one field?
20. ResponseYes, even one field is not enough
21. Statementרב אשי: a daughter is a creditor
22. ProofA story shows אמימר changed his mind
23. QuestionWhose creditor is she: father's or brothers'?
24. QuestionWhat difference does it make?
25. ResponseMiddle land without an oath, or poor land with an oath
26. QuestionSo what is the ruling?
27. Proofרבינא collects for רב אשי's daughter in two different ways
28. StatementCollect the tenth even from the millstone land
29. Statementרב אשי: we collected even from house rent
30. Statementרב ענן's letter to רב הונא
31. Challengeרב הונא's sharp reply: land or movables, and who outranks whom?
32. Challengeרב ששת delivers the message respectfully
33. Questionרב ענן complains to מר עוקבא about רב הונא's letter
34. Responseמר עוקבא begins his reply with a warm greeting