Kesubos 69b

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Ketubot 69b

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Topic

Honoring an אבל and רבא's ruling on collecting from heirs; the dispute over a daughter's money held by a שליש; and the start of אילפא's challenge

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the story of רב ענן's letter. מר עוקבא scolds him for writing to רב הונא as an equal when he did not even know that מרזיחא means a mourner. רבי אבהו and מר זוטרא each bring a פסוק showing that an אבל sits at the head. רבא then rules that food support, the כתובה and a daughter's dowry are collected from the heirs' land only. A new משנה follows: a father leaves money with a שליש to buy a field for his daughter, and she asks that it go to her husband. רבי מאיר and רבי יוסי argue whether she can override the father. Using a ברייתא and the משנה's last line, the גמרא shows that both agree a קטנה has no say, and that they disagree only about a גדולה during אירוסין. שמואל rules like רבי יוסי, and רב נחמן rules like רבי מאיר. Finally, אילפא claims he can find every ברייתא in a משנה. An old man tests him with a case about a father who gave his sons a weekly שקל, and the answer continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (23)

1. Questionמר עוקבא asks what actually happened
2. Responseרב ענן tells the story
3. Statementמר עוקבא scolds רב ענן for his casual letter
4. QuestionWhat does מרזיחא mean?
5. Responseמרזיחא means a mourner
6. Statementרבי אבהו: a mourner sits at the head
7. ChallengeBut the verse speaks of the comforter
8. ResolutionThe word can be read as 'is comforted'
9. Statementמר זוטרא's source from עמוס
10. Conclusionרבא's ruling: collect only from land
11. StatementA father leaves money with a third party for his daughter
12. StatementThis applies only to an adult woman
13. StatementThe ברייתא: רבי מאיר splits between betrothal and marriage
14. StatementThe ברייתא: רבי יוסי splits between adult and minor
15. QuestionWhat is the difference between them?
16. ResponseSuggested answer: a minor after marriage
17. ChallengeChallenge from the last line of the משנה
18. ResolutionThe last line of the משנה belongs to רבי מאיר, with missing words filled in
19. ResponseThe real disagreement: an adult woman during betrothal
20. Statementאמוראים disagree about whom the הלכה follows
21. Statementאילפא hangs from a ship's mast and makes a bold challenge
22. StatementAn old man tests אילפא with a case about giving money to sons
23. Questionאילפא asks whose opinion the teaching follows