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Kiddushin 11a

קידושין י״א ע״א

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Topic

תרומה for a ארוסה of a כהן according to בן בג בג, and the reason for בית שמאי's דינר minimum for קידושין

Overview

The amud opens by finishing a discussion about a בת ישראל betrothed to a כהן: may she eat תרומה before the חופה? רבי יהודה בן בתירא learned from an עבד כנעני that she may by תורה law, but the רבנן stopped her because of עולא's worry that she would share it with her family. The גמרא explains that בן בג בג rejects that comparison, because a slave's sale can never be cancelled for a defect (סימפון), while a woman's קידושין might be. Since both views keep her from eating in practice, the גמרא finds the difference in three cases: קיבל, מסר and הלך, where only one of the two worries applies. Then the גמרא returns to the משנה and asks why בית שמאי require a דינר for קידושין with money. רבי זירא says a woman cares about her dignity, and after אביי's challenge from רבי ינאי's daughters he limits this to cases where she did not see the amount. רב יוסף gives another reason: רב אסי's rule that money in the תורה means valuable צורי coinage. The גמרא then quotes רב אסי's rule on its own and begins to question whether it is really a fixed rule.

Opening lines

עַד שֶׁתִּכָּנֵס לַחוּפָּה,

until she enters the wedding canopy,

מִשּׁוּם דְּעוּלָּא.

because of the reason of עולא.

וּבֶן בַּג בַּג?

And בן בג בג?

סִימְפּוֹן, בַּעֲבָדִים לֵית לֵיהּ.

He does not hold that a claim of hidden defect applies to slaves.

The steps (15)

  1. ResponseShe does not eat until the חופה, because of עולא's concern
  2. QuestionWhat does בן בג בג do with the slave comparison?
  3. ResponseThere is no cancelling a slave's sale because of a hidden defect
  4. StatementEven a thief or a gambler stays sold
  5. ChallengeWhat about an armed robber or a man wanted by the government?
  6. ResolutionThose things are public knowledge
  7. QuestionIf neither lets her eat, what is the difference?
  8. ResponseThree cases where the two reasons give different results
  9. QuestionWhy do בית שמאי require a full דינר?
  10. ResponseA woman cares about her dignity
  11. ChallengeWhat about the daughters of רבי ינאי?
  12. ResolutionThe rule applies only when she did not choose the amount herself
  13. Responseרב יוסף gives a different reason based on תורה money
  14. StatementThe גמרא returns to רב אסי's rule on its own
  15. ChallengeIs this really a fixed rule?