Kiddushin 58a

קידושין נ״ח ע״א

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Topic

חולין שנשחטו בעזרה and קידושין, money from forbidden items, and whether טובת הנאה is money

Overview

The ברייתא widens the איסור of חולין שנשחטו בעזרה to cover בעלי מומין, חיה and עופות. It also forbids any benefit from such meat, not just eating it. מר יהודה then quotes רבי שמעון, who says קידושין with this meat works, and contrasts it with רבי שמעון's ruling that the meat must be burned. רבה resolves the contradiction: the קידושין case is about an animal that turned out to be a טריפה, and for רבי שמעון that animal is not forbidden for benefit. Next the גמרא explains why money from selling forbidden items may be used for קידושין. Only עבודה זרה and שביעית pass their status on to the money, and the גמרא shows how שביעית status moves along a chain of trades. A new משנה then rules that a ישראל can betroth with תרומות, מעשרות and other gifts. This leads to a debate over whether טובת הנאה counts as money. עולא explains the משנה as an inheritance from a כהן grandfather, so the משנה cannot prove the question either way.

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The steps (28)

1. StatementBlemished animals are included in the prohibition
2. StatementUndomesticated animals are included too
3. StatementBirds are included from the verses
4. StatementEven benefit from the meat is forbidden
5. Statementמר יהודה cites a dispute about betrothal with forbidden items
6. ProofInference: רבי שמעון holds the prohibition is not from the Torah
7. ChallengeContradiction: רבי שמעון says the meat must be burned
8. ConclusionThey were silent
9. Resolutionרבה explains the first ברייתא is about a טריפה
10. ProofA ברייתא proves רבי שמעון's view on a slaughtered טריפה
11. QuestionWhat is the source that money from forbidden items is allowed
12. ResponseLearning from the verse about idol worship
13. ChallengeWhy not learn the rule from idol worship for everything
14. ResolutionTwo verses that teach the same thing do not teach others
15. QuestionWhere do we learn the money rule for שביעית?
16. Responseשביעית is compared to הקדש
17. ChallengeThen should the שביעית fruit lose its holiness, like הקדש does?
18. ResolutionThe word 'shall be' keeps the fruit forbidden
19. StatementHow the status passes down a chain of trades
20. ChallengeWhat about the view that two similar פסוקים do teach other cases?
21. ResolutionBoth פסוקים have limiting words
22. StatementA ישראל can betroth with holy gifts
23. Statementעולא: the right to choose is not money
24. Challengeרבי אבא challenges עולא from the משנה
25. Resolutionעולא: the ישראל inherited from a כהן grandfather
26. Questionרבי חייא בר אבין asks: is the right to choose money?
27. Responseרב הונא: we already learned it in the משנה
28. RejectionRejecting רב הונא's proof with עולא's answer