Kiddushin 72a

קידושין ע״ב ע״א

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Topic

Which places in and around בבל have trusted or flawed lineage, with aggadah about Persia and רבי's deathbed warnings

Overview

The גמרא keeps mapping where בבל, with its trusted family lineage, begins and ends. It notes that the Persians moved the border bridge. It also brings רב יוסף's proof that בירם is fine, since the pure families of פומבדיתא marry from there. רב פפא and רב יוסף then argue whether the border dispute also applies to גיטין. Next the גמרא praises חביל ימא and its towns as the finest lineage in בבל, and it rejects a rumor that כותים mixed into them. It rules that the area 'between the rivers' and חלזון ניהוונד count like the גולה, and it settles an apparent contradiction in רבי יוחנן's borders. רבי אבא בר כהנא disagrees, because the ten tribes were exiled to those places, and the גמרא separates מושכי, which is flawed, from מושכני, which is kosher. After some aggadah on דניאל's bear and the Persians, רבי names towns in בבל with lineage problems on his deathbed, and his list continues on the next amud.

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The steps (36)

1. StatementThe Persians moved the bridge
2. Questionאביי asks about the western side of the Euphrates
3. Responseרב יוסף: פומבדיתא's families marry from בירם
4. Statementרב פפא: the same border dispute applies to divorce documents
5. Statementרב יוסף: for divorce documents everyone agrees
6. Statementרמי בר אבא: the glory of בבל
7. Statementרבינא adds ציצורא
8. ProofA ברייתא supports the list
9. Statementרב פפא: Samaritans have mixed in
10. RejectionThe rumor is false
11. QuestionWhat is חביל ימא?
12. Responseרב פפא: the פרת by בורסי
13. StatementThe man from שוט מישוט
14. QuestionSo what if it is between the rivers?
15. ResponseBetween the rivers is like the גולה for lineage
16. QuestionWhere exactly is 'between the rivers'?
17. Responseרבי יוחנן: from איהי דקירא and upward
18. ChallengeBut רבי יוחנן said: until the crossing at גיזמא
19. Resolutionאביי: a strip extends out
20. Statementרב's teaching that חלזון ניהוונד has kosher lineage
21. Challengeאביי says not to trust the teaching because of a personal interest
22. Resolutionרב איקא answers that the teaching is not his own
23. Proofרב חננאל confirms the teaching in רב's name
24. Statementרבי אבא בר כהנא's opposing reading of the exile פסוק
25. QuestionWhich towns are the neighboring towns
26. Responseשמואל names the neighboring towns
27. Statementרבי יוחנן says all of them have flawed lineage
28. ChallengeChallenge: שמואל elsewhere calls מושכני kosher
29. Resolutionמושכי and מושכני are two different towns
30. Statementרבי יוחנן on the three ribs in Daniel's vision
31. StatementThe second beast in דניאל's vision is Persia
32. Statementרבי אמי calls a Persian rider a moving bear
33. Statementרבי asks לוי to describe different groups
34. StatementOn his deathbed, רבי names places in בבל with lineage problems
35. StatementThe town of בירתא דסטיא abandons Judaism
36. Statementרבי mentions אדא בר אהבה in אקרא דאגמא