Kiddushin 8b

קידושין ח׳ ע״ב

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Topic

Pledges in קידושין and sales, and when a woman's instructions about the money count as accepting קידושין

Overview

This amud opens with the end of רב נחמן's ruling: a man promised a מנה for קידושין but gave only a pledge, so nothing counts. רבא challenges this from a ברייתא that says קידושין with a pledge works. The גמרא answers that the ברייתא means a pledge the man holds from someone who owes him money. It backs this up with רבי יצחק's proof that a creditor really acquires a pledge. A story with רבי אמי applies the same rule to buying a maidservant. Next come a series of ברייתות about a woman who reacts to the קידושין money: she throws it away, tells him to give it to her father, his father or a stranger, or has it put on a rock or given to a dog or a poor person. The גמרא explains which actions show she accepted the money and why each ruling is needed. Two questions, a shared rock and a chasing dog, end in תיקו. The amud closes as a new story about a seller begins, and it continues on the next amud.

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The steps (25)

1. StatementNeither the money nor the pledge counts
2. Challengeרבא challenges from a ברייתא that pledge betrothal works
3. ResolutionThe ברייתא means a pledge taken from someone else
4. Statementרבי יצחק: a creditor acquires the pledge
5. QuestionThe case of the maidservant bought with a silver pledge
6. Responseרבי אמי: neither the coins nor the silver counts
7. StatementShe threw the money into the sea: not betrothed
8. ChallengeWould throwing it back at him really be betrothal?
9. ResolutionThe ברייתא is speaking in a 'no need to say' style
10. StatementA ברייתא about giving the money to her father or his father
11. StatementWhy the ברייתא mentions both fathers
12. StatementThe same rule with 'so-and-so'
13. ResolutionBoth rulings are needed
14. ResolutionWhy the 'father' case alone would not be enough
15. ResolutionWhy the 'stranger' case alone would not be enough
16. StatementPlacing the money on a rock
17. QuestionWhat if the rock belongs to both of them?
18. ConclusionThe question stays unanswered
19. StatementGiving the loaf to a dog
20. QuestionWhat if the dog was chasing her?
21. QuestionThe two sides of the question about the chasing dog
22. ConclusionThe chasing dog question stays unresolved
23. StatementGiving the bread to a poor person does not make her betrothed
24. ResponseWhy the poor person case fails: both are equally obligated
25. StatementA new story begins: a man who was selling