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Menachos 106a

מנחות ק״ו ע״א

Menachot 106a

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Topic

Bringing offerings when unsure what was vowed: mixed loaves and wafers, why a מנחת נסכים is excluded, and the dispute over forgotten numbers of עשרונים.

Overview

The amud opens with a suggestion for someone who vowed an oven-baked מנחה but forgot whether he said חלות or רקיקין: bring both together. The גמרא defends this using רבי שמעון. One קמיצה from either type counts for both, and the leftover oil goes to the כהנים either way. רב כהנא then asks why the forgetful person does not also worry about a מנחת נסכים. The גמרא answers with five differences that put the מנחת נסכים in a separate group. Next comes the משנה's case of someone who forgot how many עשרונים he promised. A ברייתא records that חכמים require one vessel of sixty, while רבי requires every amount from one to sixty separately. רב חסדא explains the dispute as being about bringing חולין into the עזרה. רבא says it is about mixing a חובה with a נדבה. אביי then challenges how the two handfuls in רבא's approach can be taken and burned, and his question about the order of burning continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

וּמֵרְקִיקִין, וְקָא קָמֵיץ מֵחַלּוֹת אַרְקִיקִין

and from wafers; but then he takes a handful from the loaves for the wafers

וּמֵרְקִיקִין אַחַלּוֹת.

and from the wafers for the loaves.

שָׁמְעִינַן לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּאָמַר:

We have heard that Rabbi Shimon said:

אִם קָמַץ וְעָלָה בְּיָדוֹ

If he took a handful and what came up in his hand

The steps (24)

  1. ChallengeTaking the handful from one type for the other
  2. Resolutionרבי שמעון: a handful from one type counts for both
  3. ChallengeThe leftover oil problem
  4. Resolutionרבי שמעון בן יהודה: the oil goes to the כהנים either way
  5. ChallengeShouldn't he also worry about a libation meal offering?
  6. ResolutionFirst difference: offerings for an individual versus for the public
  7. ResolutionSecond difference: an offering on its own versus one that comes with an animal offering
  8. ResolutionThird difference: frankincense
  9. ResolutionFourth difference: amount of oil
  10. ResolutionFifth difference: removing a handful
  11. StatementNew case from the משנה: a מנחה of tenths
  12. StatementForgot how many עשרונים he promised
  13. StatementForgot both the type of מנחה and the amount
  14. QuestionWhat are they arguing about?
  15. Responseרב חסדא: bringing חולין into the עזרה
  16. Responseרבא: mixing a חובה with a נדבה
  17. ResponseHow the Mixing Question Explains Each Side
  18. ChallengeWouldn't a Mixed Vessel Need Two Handfuls?
  19. ResolutionThe Priest Takes Two Handfuls
  20. ChallengeBut the Handfuls Come From the Wrong Parts
  21. ResolutionIt Depends on the Priest's Hand
  22. ChallengeIf the gift handful is burned first, the obligation's remainder may be lacking
  23. ProofThe rule that lacking remainder blocks burning the handful
  24. ChallengeIf the obligation handful is burned first, how can the gift handful be burned?