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Menachos 107a

מנחות ק״ז ע״א

Menachot 107a

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Topic

Minimum amounts for vows to the מקדש: metals, wine, oil, and an עולה

Overview

Just before this passage, the גמרא taught that someone who vows 'הרי עלי למזבח' must bring לבונה, because only לבונה goes entirely onto the altar. It finishes testing that rule against the bird עולה, wine נסכים and מנחת נסכים. Next it explains the משנה's minimums for vows of metal. Gold and silver must be at least a דינר. Copper must be worth at least a silver מעה, or enough for a small hook according to רבי אליעזר בן יעקב. Iron must be enough for a כליה עורב. A new משנה sets the minimum for wine at three לוגין and for oil at one לוג, while רבי says three. The גמרא gives the פסוקים for wine and debates the root of the oil argument, and רב פפא gives in to a ברייתא. The amud ends with a new משנה on vowing an עולה, including cases where he forgot which animal he named, and that ruling continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

מוּרְאָה וְנוֹצָה.

The crop and feathers.

וְהָאִיכָּא נְסָכִים,

But aren't there wine libations,

לַשִּׁיתִין אָזְלִי.

They go to the drainpipes.

וְהָאִיכָּא מִנְחַת נְסָכִים?

But isn't there the meal offering of libations?

The steps (46)

  1. ResolutionThe bird offering is not fully burned either
  2. ChallengeWhat about wine libations?
  3. ResolutionThe wine goes down to the drainpipes
  4. ChallengeWhat about the meal offering brought with libations?
  5. ResolutionA מנחה is not a clear example of 'all for the altar'
  6. StatementA vow of gold: at least a gold דינר
  7. ChallengeMaybe he meant a small piece of gold
  8. ResolutionHe said 'coin'
  9. ChallengeMaybe he meant tiny coins
  10. ResolutionNobody makes small coins of gold
  11. StatementOne who vows silver gives at least a silver דינר
  12. ChallengeWhy not a small lump of silver?
  13. ResolutionHe said 'a silver coin'
  14. ChallengeMaybe he meant a small silver coin
  15. ResolutionOnly where small silver coins are not used
  16. StatementOne who vows copper gives at least a silver מעה's worth
  17. Statementרבי אליעזר בן יעקב: enough for a small copper hook
  18. QuestionWhat is the hook used for?
  19. ResponseUsed to clean the wicks and lamps of the מנורה
  20. StatementIron: at least enough for a raven-repelling spike
  21. QuestionHow big is it?
  22. ResponseA cubit by a cubit
  23. StatementAnother version: the ברייתא itself says a cubit by a cubit
  24. QuestionWhat is a cubit-square of iron used for?
  25. ResponseFor a raven-repelling spike
  26. StatementThe minimum amounts for a pledge of wine or oil
  27. StatementHe named an amount but forgot it
  28. StatementA פסוק teaches that wine may be pledged on its own
  29. QuestionWhere do we learn that he may bring more?
  30. ResponseThe word "יהיה" allows bringing more
  31. QuestionMaybe he may bring less?
  32. ResponseThe word "ככה" forbids bringing less
  33. StatementThe משנה's rule for pledging oil
  34. QuestionWhat are they arguing about?
  35. ResponseTwo ways of learning one case from another
  36. ResponseThe רבנן copy the מנחה completely
  37. Responseרבי borrows one point and then compares oil to נסכים
  38. Rejectionרב פפא says רבי learns the oil donation from אזרח
  39. ChallengeA ברייתא shows רבי learning from the word קרבן
  40. Conclusionרב פפא accepts the ברייתא
  41. StatementHe forgot how much oil he pledged
  42. StatementWhich day is the biggest day
  43. StatementNew משנה: pledging an עולה without saying which animal
  44. StatementForgot which cattle he specified
  45. StatementForgot which animal he specified
  46. StatementForgot even the general kind he specified