Menachos 107b

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Menachot 107b

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Topic

Vows of offerings: forgotten or unclear vows, the value of a vowed animal, רבי's view on bringing a bigger animal, and the six boxes for נדבה money

Overview

The amud opens with the end of a משנה about vows of offerings. If the person forgot exactly which animal he named, he must bring every animal that could match, and sometimes birds too. If he named no animal at all, a lamb is enough. Next, the משנה sets prices for vowed animals. If he names only the animal, the price includes its נסכים. If he names the price himself, the animal alone must be worth it, and two cheaper animals or a different color do not count. The תנא קמא and רבי argue over whether a bigger animal can replace a smaller one he promised. The גמרא explains that the lamb-or-bird argument depends on local speech, and it brings a ברייתא about vowing an עולה worth a סלע. It then shows that the bull-and-calf ruling follows רבי, so the משנה mixes his view with that of רבנן. Finally, the גמרא asks why the מקדש had six boxes for נדבה money and records several answers. בר פדא's answer continues on the next amud.

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The steps (20)

1. StatementAdding a turtledove and a young pigeon to the list
2. StatementVowing a thanks offering or peace offering without naming an animal
3. StatementHe named a type of animal but forgot which one
4. StatementVowing an animal without naming a price
5. StatementVowing an animal with a named price
6. StatementTwo cheaper bulls cannot replace one bull worth a מנה
7. StatementBringing a different color or size than he promised
8. ResolutionThe lamb-or-bird argument depends on local speech
9. StatementAn עולה for a סלע means a lamb
10. StatementHe named something worth a סלע but forgot what
11. ChallengeWhy bring both a bull and a calf?
12. ResolutionThis follows רבי: bigger does not count
13. ChallengeBut the end of the משנה lists רבי as the one who disagrees
14. ChallengeThe mixed-up משנה problem
15. ResolutionYes, and the משנה is pointing to a dispute
16. QuestionWhat did the six donation boxes stand for?
17. Responseחזקיה: six boxes for six families of כהנים
18. ResponseMany boxes so the coins would not rot
19. ResponseSix boxes for six kinds of animals, following רבי
20. Responseבר פדא begins his answer: bulls and rams